Breaking Math Podcast

Gabriel Hesch and Autumn Phaneuf

<p>Hosted by Gabriel Hesch and Autumn Phaneuf, who have advanced degrees in EE and industrial engineering/operations research respectively, come together to discuss mathematics as a pure field al in its own as well as how it describes the language of science, engineering, and even creativity.  <br><br>Breaking Math brings you the absolute best in interdisciplinary science discussions -  bringing together experts in varying fields including artificial intelligence, neuroscience, evolutionary biology, physics, chemistry and materials-science, and more -  to discuss where humanity is headed.</p><p>website:  breakingmath.io </p><p>linktree:  linktree.com/breakingmathmedia</p><p>email:  [email protected]</p>

  • 26 minutes 49 seconds
    AI, Pi, Dynamic Pricing, and Math History Lessons

    Summary

    In this episode, Autumn and Noah explore the intersection of AI and mathematics, discussing why AI struggles with math, the differences between calculus and algebra, and the historical contributions of women in mathematics. They delve into the concept of infinity, the significance of pi, and the implications of dynamic pricing in today's economy. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding mathematical tools and the ethical considerations surrounding personalized pricing.

    Takeaways

    AI is not monolithic; it has varying capabilities.

    The difference between calculus and algebra lies in their focus on relationships and change.

    Infinity is a concept that exists in mathematics but not necessarily in the physical world.

    Pi is fundamental in understanding circular motion and symmetry.

    Dynamic pricing is a modern phenomenon influenced by technology and data.

    Choosing the right mathematical tool is crucial for problem-solving.

    Personalized pricing raises ethical questions about fairness and transparency.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Overview

    00:22 AI and Mathematics: The Dual Nature

    03:25 Understanding Calculus vs. Algebra

    07:40 Historical Perspectives: Women in Mathematics

    13:11 The Concept of Infinity in Mathematics

    16:55 The Origins of Pi

    21:33 Dynamic Pricing and Its Implications

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    10 February 2026, 5:11 am
  • 39 minutes 33 seconds
    A New Chapter of Breaking Math: Get to Know Your Hosts

    In this episode, Autumn and Noah celebrate the ninth anniversary of the Breaking Math podcast, reflecting on its journey and growth. They introduce Noah Giansiracusa as the new co-host and discuss the importance of engaging with the audience, storytelling in math, and the interdisciplinary nature of the topics they plan to cover. The conversation also touches on personal experiences, defining success in podcasting, and the dynamics of co-hosting, all while embracing their nerdy sides and fostering curiosity in their listeners.

    Takeaways

    • Noah is introduced as the new co-host.
    • Engagement with the audience is a priority.
    • Storytelling is crucial in teaching math.
    • Math communication can impact people's understanding of their lives.
    • Success is defined by personal fulfillment, not just metrics.
    • The hosts aim to humanize math and its applications.
    • Embracing nerdiness fosters a relatable and engaging atmosphere.

    Chapters

    01:55 Welcoming Noah as Co-Host

    05:37 Engaging with the Audience

    07:26 Expanding the Narrative and Storytelling

    09:34 The Power Dynamic in Education

    11:18 The Importance of Storytelling in Math

    13:44 Communicating Math Beyond the Classroom

    15:33 Interdisciplinary Approach to Math

    17:40 Future Topics and Directions

    20:37 Personal Insights and Fun Facts

    25:32 Defining Success in the Podcasting World

    30:13 Personal Reflections on Success

    36:19 Embracing Nerdiness and Authenticity

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    3 February 2026, 2:30 am
  • 40 minutes 22 seconds
    The Elements of Power: Supply Chains, Technology, and Energy with Nicolas Niarchos

    In this episode of Breaking Math, Autumn and Nicolas Niarchos critique the "green" narrative of lithium-ion technology. Tracing the industry from its 1991 commercialization to modern geopolitical tensions, the hosts expose the exploitation and environmental degradation inherent in global mining, particularly in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. By challenging the presumed sustainability of electric vehicles, they emphasize the need for supply chain transparency and urge listeners to adopt a more informed, ethically-conscious approach to modern consumption.

    Takeaways

    • What does it really cost to power the future?
    • The bargain as stated is clean energy in one part and at the other end, you have corruption, pollution, and human suffering.
    • The greenest vehicle is not always the electric one; it depends on the entire lifecycle of the product.
    • We need to improve conditions on the ground, not just extract resources.
    • Corruption is unfortunately a fact of life and is very closely related to extraction.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 Introduction and Background
    • 03:24 The Journey to Congo and Corruption
    • 07:13 The Birth of Lithium-Ion Batteries
    • 09:35 The Uneven Global Bargain
    • 12:16 Mining vs. Oil: A Different Kind of Harm
    • 13:56 Onshoring Battery Production: Challenges and Opportunities
    • 17:13 China's Dominance in Battery Manufacturing
    • 18:51 The Race in Battery Technology
    • 21:39 Corruption and Poverty in the Congo
    • 24:31 The Human Cost of Mining
    • 29:12 Health Impacts of Mining
    • 31:52 Colonial Legacy and Modern Mining
    • 34:00 The Future of Battery Technology
    • 39:12 Introduction to Complex Narratives
    • 39:53 The Reality of Resource Extraction
    • 39:59 Embracing Curiosity and Reflection

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    21 January 2026, 4:47 am
  • 57 minutes 42 seconds
    The Score: Gamifying the Nature of Metrics with Thi Nguyen

    In this conversation, the discussion with C. Thi Nguyen revolves around the nature of metrics, qualitative knowledge, and the duality of scoring systems, particularly in the context of climbing. The speaker shares personal experiences with climbing as a case study to illustrate how scoring systems can both enhance and detract from the experience. The conversation delves into the beauty of climbing, the subtlety of value in metrics, and the importance of savoring moments in games. It also explores the tension between purpose and game mechanics, the role of enjoyment, and the complexities of scoring systems in both games and life. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the challenges of balancing values in decision-making and the risks associated with the gamification of various aspects of life.

    Takeaways

    • Metrics can miss the subtlety of qualitative knowledge.
    • Scoring systems can enhance or detract from experiences.
    • Climbing serves as a unique case study for scoring systems.
    • The beauty of climbing lies in its scoring system.
    • Values can become obscured when metrics are prioritized.
    • Games allow for exploration of different scoring systems.
    • Achievement play focuses on winning, while striving play values the process.
    • External expectations can pressure individuals to conform to metrics.
    • The addictive nature of games can lead to negative experiences.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 The Intricacies of Portability and Judgment
    • 01:12 Introduction and Social Media Presence
    • 03:40 The Value of Climbing and Scoring Systems
    • 07:16 The Impact of Numbers in Climbing
    • 09:42 Savoring the Moment vs. Obsession with Scoring
    • 10:59 Goals vs. Purpose in Games
    • 12:39 Understanding Value Capture
    • 17:53 The Shift in Standards of Success
    • 20:33 The Limitations of Metrics
    • 21:42 Games as a Reflection of Human Desire
    • 24:37 The Purpose Behind Scoring Systems
    • 26:07 The Magic Circle of Games
    • 29:15 Achievement Play vs. Striving Play
    • 34:47 When Games Become Unsafe
    • 38:21 The Pitfalls of Portability in Metrics

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    14 January 2026, 6:18 am
  • 48 minutes 39 seconds
    The Art of Physics: Bridging Science and Creativity with Ronald Gamble

    This conversation explores the fascinating intersection of math, physics, and art, highlighting how these disciplines inform and inspire one another. Dr. Ronald Gamble discusses his journey as a theoretical physicist and artist, emphasizing the importance of recognizing patterns in nature and the role of creativity in scientific discovery. The dialogue delves into various topics, including the significance of symmetry in physics, the visualization of complex concepts like black holes and gravitational waves, and the influence of mathematical principles on artistic expression. Ultimately, the conversation underscores the idea that art and science are deeply interconnected, each enhancing the understanding and appreciation of the other.

    Takeaways

    • Inspiration is pattern recognition.
    • Math serves as a language to describe physics.
    • Art and physics both seek to decode patterns in the universe.
    • Studying nature can enhance understanding of physics concepts.
    • Creativity is essential in theoretical physics.
    • Symmetry plays a crucial role in understanding the universe.
    • Art can influence scientific thought and vice versa.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 The Intersection of Math, Physics, and Art
    • 03:57 Finding Inspiration in Nature
    • 06:16 The Art of Storytelling in Physics
    • 08:31 Patterns in Nature and Art
    • 10:13 The Influence of Physics on Art
    • 12:23 Understanding Symmetry in Physics
    • 16:46 Exploring Black Holes and Particle Physics
    • 21:03 The Role of Tessellations in Physics
    • 25:24 Celebrating Scientific Collaborations
    • 27:24 The Art of Tessellation and Structure
    • 29:06 The Power of Minimalism in Art and Science
    • 31:05 Exploring Black Holes and Gravitational Waves
    • 38:59 The Artistic Journey into Physics Course

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    13 January 2026, 12:04 am
  • 38 minutes 33 seconds
    Intelligent Systems: Digital Culture Shock

    In this conversation, Dr. Katharina Reinecke explores the intersection of technology and culture, discussing how cultural assumptions shape the design and functionality of technology. She delves into the implications of self-driving cars, the importance of understanding diverse user experiences, and the challenges posed by a predominantly Western perspective in technology development. The discussion highlights the need for greater cultural sensitivity in technology design and the potential consequences of ignoring these differences.

    Takeaways

    • Technology is not culturally neutral; it reflects the values of its creators.
    • Self-driving cars are based on American commuting assumptions.
    • Cultural differences significantly impact user experience and technology design.
    • Efficiency in technology can undermine social interactions and relationships.
    • WEIRD populations dominate technology research, leading to biased outcomes.
    • Universal design principles often fail when applied globally.
    • Stack Exchange exemplifies individualistic design, contrasting with collectivist values.
    • AI systems must be designed with cultural sensitivity to avoid reinforcing biases.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 Understanding Digital Culture Shock
    • 03:53 The Challenges of Autonomous Vehicles
    • 06:21 Cultural Assumptions in Technology
    • 08:37 The Impact of AI and Data Bias
    • 10:32 Efficiency vs. Social Interaction in Design
    • 12:14 The Concept of 'Weird' Populations
    • 14:24 Cultural Values in Digital Platforms
    • 21:53 The Simplicity of Design and Its Cultural Impact
    • 22:51 Efficiency vs. Community: The Stack Exchange Debate
    • 25:41 Adapting Global Platforms to Local Norms
    • 31:52 The Implications of AI and Digital Infrastructure
    • 34:34 Recognizing Cultural Bias in Technology Design
    • 37:42 Technology as Culture

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    19 November 2025, 1:39 am
  • 50 minutes 26 seconds
    Who is Francis Crick?

    This conversation delves into the life and legacy of Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the DNA structure. Dr.  Matthew Cobb, the guest, explores Crick's multifaceted personality, his poetic inspirations, collaborative nature, and his later pursuits in consciousness. The discussion also touches on the controversies surrounding his work, particularly regarding the contributions of Rosalind Franklin, and reflects on Crick's complex character, blending modern scientific thought with outdated socio-political ideas.

    Takeaways

    • Crick's story is often simplified to his DNA discovery.
    • He had a deep appreciation for poetry and its connection to science.
    • Collaboration was a key aspect of Crick's success.
    • His early life was marked by average academic performance.
    • Crick's transition to biology was driven by a desire to understand life.
    • The discovery of DNA was a complex, collaborative effort.
    • Controversies exist regarding the ethics of scientific discovery.
    • Crick's later work focused on the nature of consciousness.
    • He had a unique blend of intuition and logical thinking.
    • Crick's outdated socio-political views contrast with his scientific modernity.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 The Legacy of Francis Crick
    • 01:13 Introduction to Matthew Cobb and His Book
    • 03:43 The Influence of Francis Crick
    • 06:19 Crick's Unique Approach to Science
    • 07:19 Crick's Early Life and Self-Perception
    • 10:04 The Impact of Naval Service on Crick
    • 12:34 Crick's Transition to Biology
    • 15:06 The Role of Schrodinger's Work
    • 17:26 The Dynamic Between Watson and Crick
    • 20:13 The Discovery of the Double Helix
    • 23:02 The Controversy of Rosalind Franklin's Contribution
    • 28:23 The Diplomatic Row and Pauling's Mistake
    • 29:38 The Discovery of DNA's Structure
    • 34:31 Crick and Brenner's Collaboration
    • 38:41 Crick's Exploration of Consciousness
    • 43:03 Crick's Complex Legacy

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    11 November 2025, 5:02 am
  • 43 minutes 33 seconds
    Mathematics and Humanity: The Untold Stories of the Great Math War

    This conversation explores the intersection of mathematics and human experience, focusing on historical figures, philosophical debates, and the ethical implications of scientific progress. Jason Socrates Bardi discusses his book 'The Great Math War', which delves into the personal stories of mathematicians, the challenges of teaching math, and the relevance of these themes in today's world, particularly in the context of AI and misinformation.

    Takeaways

    • The personal experiences of mathematicians shape their work.
    • Philosophical clashes in mathematics reflect broader societal issues.
    • Hilbert's optimism about problem-solving parallels today's AI discussions.
    • Historical context is crucial in understanding mathematical developments.
    • Ethics in science must be prioritized to avoid past mistakes.
    • There are limits to human knowledge that we must acknowledge.
    • Mathematics is a fundamental human skill, not just for the gifted.
    • The future of mathematics will be influenced by AI and technology.
    • Understanding historical fallacies can inform current practices.
    • Kovalevsky's story is an inspiring example of overcoming barriers.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 The Personal Journey Behind The Great Math War
    • 03:08 The Philosophical Clash in Mathematics
    • 05:13 The Great Math War: Key Players and Their Missions
    • 07:38 The Foundations of Mathematics: Paradoxes and Theories
    • 08:55 The Role of Historical Context in Mathematics
    • 10:00 The Human Side of Mathematics: Stories of Resilience
    • 12:36 Ethics in Science and the Modern Age
    • 14:56 The Future of Mathematics and Technology
    • 25:32 The Spectrum of Idealism and Realism
    • 26:13 Understanding Ignoramus et Ignoramnibus
    • 29:04 Neuroscience and the Evolution of Mathematics
    • 33:12 The Future of AI and Consciousness
    • 35:31 Fallacies and Paradoxes in Mathematics
    • 38:31 The Legacy of Sofia Kovalesky
    • 43:10 The Great Math War: A Reflection on Logic and Humanity

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    4 November 2025, 6:04 am
  • 48 minutes 44 seconds
    The Future of Physics: Portals to a New Reality

    In this conversation, Dr.Vlatko Vedral discusses the complexities of quantum mechanics and its implications for our understanding of reality. He explores the stagnation in physics, the importance of thought experiments, and the potential for new discoveries through technological advancements. Vlatko emphasizes the need for adventurous research and the role of quantum information in shaping future scientific inquiries. He also speculates on the transformative possibilities of quantum technologies and their impact on human perception.

    Takeaways

    • Quantum mechanics challenges our understanding of reality.
    • The observer effect is central to quantum mechanics.
    • Physics has been stagnant with two main theories for over a century.
    • Technological advancements are paving the way for new experiments.
    • Thought experiments can guide genuine scientific discovery.
    • The integration of quantum mechanics and general relativity is crucial.
    • Quantum information theory expands our understanding of computation.
    • New theories may emerge from the intersection of quantum mechanics and technology.
    • The perception of reality may evolve with quantum technologies.
    • Funding and research approaches need to be more adventurous.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 Exploring Quantum Reality
    • 04:48 The Stagnation of Physics
    • 08:41 The Clouds of Uncertainty
    • 12:46 Thought Experiments and Their Power
    • 16:01 Five Experiments for the Future
    • 24:54 Technological Feasibility of Experiments
    • 28:27 Quantum Theory and Its Foundations
    • 34:08 The Role of Quantum Information
    • 39:35 Imagining New Realities Through Portals

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    28 October 2025, 7:07 pm
  • 50 minutes 25 seconds
    AI vs Human Intelligence: The Emergent Mind

    In this conversation, Drs. Gaurav Suri and Jay Mcclelland delves into the intricate relationship between artificial intelligence and human cognition, exploring similarities and differences, the evolution of AI from rule-based systems to learning models, and the concept of emergence in both fields. The discussion also touches on the efficiency of human learning compared to AI, the role of consciousness, and the ethical implications of AI technology.

    Takeaways

    • AI and human intelligence share similarities in neural network frameworks.
    • Artificial systems lack the goal-directed nature inherent in humans.
    • Humans learn more efficiently than current AI systems.
    • Neural networks can adapt to language nuances better than rule-based systems.
    • Emergence explains how collective intelligence arises from individual components.
    • Memory in neural networks is represented through connections, not individual units.
    • Mathematics is both invented and discovered, shaped by human needs.
    • Understanding consciousness is crucial for AI development.
    • Human misuse of AI poses significant risks.
    • Recognizing ourselves as processes can foster empathy and morality.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 Introduction and Backgrounds
    • 01:00 AI vs Human Mind: Similarities and Differences
    • 03:32 The Shift from Rule-Based AI to Learning Systems
    • 09:07 Emergence in Cognition: Ant Colonies and Intelligence
    • 15:25 Distributed Representations and Memory Storage
    • 23:53 The Nature of Memory and Its Malleability
    • 25:40 Emergence of Mathematical Concepts
    • 29:50 The Invention vs. Discovery Debate in Mathematics
    • 32:19 Learning Mechanisms: Brain vs. AI
    • 36:48 Consciousness: Function and Implications
    • 41:13 AI Risks: Human Misuse vs. AI Autonomy
    • 43:45 Living with Emergence: Understanding Ourselves and Others
    • 48:22 Exploring the Emergent Mind

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    25 October 2025, 3:33 am
  • 56 minutes 57 seconds
    The Giant Leap

    In this conversation, Dr. Caleb Scharf discusses the evolution of space exploration, drawing parallels to historical figures like Darwin. He explores the implications of humanity's expansion into space, the challenges of microgravity, and the allure of Mars as a potential habitat. Scharf emphasizes the interconnectedness of space exploration with our daily lives and the future of humanity as a dispersed entity across the solar system.

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    Takeaways

    • Humanity's move into space is a new phase of evolution.
    • Space exploration is a continuation of life's four billion year experiment.
    • Microgravity affects human physiology in profound ways.
    • Mars presents both challenges and opportunities for human exploration.
    • Lagrange points offer stable locations for spacecraft in orbit.
    • The moon's composition is closely related to Earth's.
    • Understanding space exploration is crucial for our future as a species.

    Chapters

    • 00:00 The Concept of Dispersal in Space Exploration
    • 04:54 The Universe's Self-Awareness and Its Implications
    • 08:32 Darwin's Influence on Space Exploration
    • 14:14 Historical Figures in Science and Their Impact
    • 21:59 The Moon Landing: A Complicated History
    • 28:14 Challenges in Spacecraft Navigation
    • 30:13 Effects of Microgravity on Humans and Animals
    • 33:50 The Drive for Interplanetary Exploration
    • 36:39 Understanding Lagrange Points
    • 42:06 Life on Other Planets: Mars and Beyond
    • 48:40 The Future of Humanity in Space
    • 54:41 The Essence of Curiosity
    • 54:57 Embracing the Unknown

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    21 October 2025, 3:46 am
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