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Breaking Math Podcast

Breaking Math Podcast

Gabriel Hesch and Autumn Phaneuf

Hosted by Gabriel Hesch and Autumn Phaneuf, who have advanced degrees in EE and industrial engineering/operations research respectively, come together to discuss mathematics as a pure field al in its own as well as how it describes the language of science, engineering, and even creativity.  

Breaking Math brings you the absolute best in interdisciplinary science discussions -  bringing together experts in varying fields including artificial intelligence, neuroscience, evolutionary biology, physics, chemistry and materials-science, and more -  to discuss where humanity is headed.

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  • 43 minutes 13 seconds
    Forecasting Explained: How Prediction Markets Beat Experts

    Professional forecaster Molly Hickman breaks down what it really means to assign a probability to the future — and why she believes generalists often out-forecast subject-matter experts. This episode explores the art and science of forecasting, from techniques to ethical considerations, and how AI and prediction markets are shaping our understanding of the future.

    Key Topics

    The definition of forecasting and its importance

    Techniques for starting in forecasting

    The role of AI and large language models in forecasting

    How to interpret probabilities and conditional forecasts

    Forecasting in complex systems like climate and geopolitics

    Ethical boundaries and red lines in prediction markets

    The impact of AI bots on forecasting accuracy and decision making

    Chapters

    03:06 Getting Started with Forecasting: Tools and Techniques

    06:15 Beginning Forecasting as a Beginner

    07:31 Gut Feelings vs Market Wisdom

    08:33 The Delphi Loop and Group Forecasting

    09:39 Measuring Forecast Accuracy and Skill

    11:17 Forecasting Long-Term and Uncertain Events

    12:40 Extrapolating Trends and Model Limitations

    14:19 AI Bots in Forecasting and Their Performance

    18:16 Prediction Markets as Collective Wisdom

    19:19 The Future of Prediction Markets and Society

    24:06 The Meaning of Probabilities and Risk Assessment

    27:20 Dealing with Chaos and Unpredictability

    32:52 Combining Models and Expert Opinions

    36:31 Forecasting and Expertise in Science and Policy

    39:01 Forecasting AI Risks and Ethical Boundaries

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    9 September 2026, 1:14 am
  • 48 minutes 46 seconds
    What Actually Makes Something Alive? with Melanie Challenger

    What does it mean to be alive? In this episode of Breaking Math, Autumn and Noah speak with Melanie Challenger, author of Alive, about one of the most profound questions in science and philosophy: how do we define life?

    Challenger argues that life is not simply a machine-like process or a bundle of genetic instructions. Living beings are embodied, purposeful agents. From single-celled organisms to sequoia seeds, from animals to human beings, life is marked by an astonishing capacity to work to keep itself alive.

    Chapters

    08:12 The concept of purpose in living beings

    09:14 The scientific view of purpose and agency

    11:52 The importance of purpose and meaning in life

    13:19 The danger of ignoring organism agency in science

    14:34 Living beings as purposeful agents

    15:35 Comparing purpose in a Roomba and a single-celled organism

    18:03 Autopoetic vs allopoetic systems

    20:03 Free will, agency, and the universe

    23:24 The physical basis of life and energy

    28:38 Aristotle's concept of psyche and purpose

    33:46 The importance of understanding what life truly is

    37:56 Material integration and the difference between machines and living beings

    38:15 The concept of self and embodiment in life

    41:09 The whole body as the agent, not just the brain

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    19 August 2026, 1:10 am
  • 43 minutes 4 seconds
    Why Uncertainty Is Science's Greatest Strength with Stuart Firestein

    Neuroscientist Stuart Firestein (Columbia University) joins Breaking Math to make an extravagant claim: uncertainty isn't a weakness in science — it's the defining feature that makes progress possible. In this episode, we break down why the "one right answer" myth is one of the most damaging ideas in science, why real experts are often the most uncertain people in the room, and why authority and expertise pull in opposite directions, covering two fundamentally different kinds of probability, why Darwin never erased a 300-year-old classification system built on an assumption he disproved, why AI is exceptional at prediction but not built for causation, and why pseudoscience always has a confident answer while real science rarely does — plus the philosophical difference between hope and optimism, and why Voltaire had to invent the word "optimism" in 1759 to describe it.

    Chapters

    03:00 Predictability and the sea of uncertainties

    04:08 Science as a search for probabilities and multiple solutions

    06:16 Biological classification and the dynamic nature of species

    09:10 The optimistic view of a branching universe

    12:41 Probability as the language of optimism

    16:48 Two types of probability and their roles

    17:50 AI, probabilistic models, and the future of certainty

    21:40 Science and the creation of better ignorance

    23:21 The importance of asking questions over giving answers

    27:21 Authority versus knowledge in science

    30:04 Pluralism and multiple solutions in science

    32:46 Science in the gray area of uncertainty

    35:39 The brain and randomness in thought

    39:44 Science as a source of hope and optimism

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    6 August 2026, 12:37 am
  • 59 minutes 25 seconds
    Robot Proof: Why Better AI Starts With Better People with Vivienne Ming

    Neuroscientist, entrepreneur, and author Dr. Vivienne Ming joins Autumn and Noah to make the case that if we want better AI, we need to build better people first. We get into why AI tutors that hand students answers make learning worse, not better; what her research on "hybrid intelligence" reveals about the human traits — not the AI model — that predict elite human-AI collaboration; a wild experiment running Dungeons & Dragons with Claude and Gemini as dungeon masters to expose the gap between knowing and understanding; her case for "fiduciary AI," legal duty-of-care standards for tutors, hiring tools, and diagnostic models; and the real story of a hiring algorithm that learned to discriminate against women after every explicit gender marker was stripped out.

    Chapters

    02:20 Why build this book now? The importance of human qualities

    04:16 AI in education and the concept of robot-proofing

    06:37 The median student and AI personalization

    09:31 The limitations of AI understanding and theory of mind

    11:30 Building better people with AI and human interaction

    14:23 Hybrid intelligence and the role of human-AI collaboration

    23:56 Case study: AI in Dungeons & Dragons

    30:42 AI's strengths and limitations in understanding and cognition

    37:34 The science of purpose and its impact on life and society

    44:44 The collective intelligence of humans versus AI

    46:54 Key takeaway: Build better people for better

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    25 July 2026, 2:10 am
  • 44 minutes 2 seconds
    Why Nothing Works: Robber Barons, Algorithms & Governing AI

    In this episode, Historian and author Marc Dunkelman to explain why the 19th-century fight over railroad power is the exact fight we're about to have over algorithms and AI. Drawing on his acclaimed book Why Nothing Works: Who Killed Progress — and How to Bring It Back (a Best Book of the Year in the Financial Times and The Economist), Marc unpacks the two competing tools America has always used against concentrated power — antitrust vs. regulation — and why our government's "endemic diffusion of authority" now means nobody can decide anything, from congestion pricing to clean-energy transmission lines to AI safety.

    CHAPTERS

    04:52 — When private projects come back to the public: Warp Speed, DARPA, CHIPS

    08:55 — Two ways to fight concentrated power: break them up vs. regulate

    10:52 — Railroads, island communities & the birth of regulation

    12:29 — The railroad = algorithm parallel

    20:33 — Why nothing gets built: the diffusion of authority

    27:30 — "A voice without a veto" and the AI moment

    32:53 — Where should government draw the line on new tech?

    37:20 — Dunkelman the pragmatist: there is no simple answer

    38:21 — Where math and AI can genuinely help public policy

    40:46 — The lesson we keep overlooking

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    10 July 2026, 12:31 am
  • 52 minutes 49 seconds
    Can Math Save Journalism?: Julia Angwin on Proof, Power, and Amazon's Algorithm

    In this conversation we chat with Julia Angwin — Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, founder of Proof News, and former Wall Street Journal and ProPublica reporter — to make the case that journalism should function more like mathematical proof than anecdote.

    We cover how Angwin's team at The Markup used a decision-tree model to prove Amazon was favoring its own products in search results by an 8-to-1 margin — a finding the House Antitrust Committee later cited when referring Amazon to the DOJ for possible perjury. We dig into her "ingredients label" approach to reporting at Proof News (hypothesis, sample size, techniques, limitations), the difference between mathematical proof and the scientific method, and why she thinks control over algorithmic media is now the central battleground for authoritarian power. She also unpacks her new book on resisting authoritarianism, built from interviews with dissidents worldwide, including the "Swiss cheese" model of personal security and why perfectionism is dangerous in a crisis.

    Chapters

    09:50 Proof News: A New Era in Journalism

    19:56 Data-Driven Investigations: A Case Study

    30:02 The Future of Journalism and AI

    32:53 The Evolution of Search Rankings

    35:06 The Role of Algorithms in Information Access

    36:41 Fighting Authoritarianism Through Journalism

    44:52 Community Resistance Against Authoritarianism

    48:33 The Dangers of Perfectionism in Resistance

    51:26 Declaring a Position in Journalism

    56:25 The Importance of Math in Modern Society

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    2 July 2026, 9:56 pm
  • 45 minutes 38 seconds
    The Proof in the Code: How Lean Is Quietly Rewriting Trust in Math (w/ Kevin Hartnett)

    In this episode, Autumn and Noah talk with Kevin Hartnett about why mathematicians are willing to spend years reducing an idea to a level of detail a machine can check, whether formal verification can catch an AI that's technically correct but fundamentally misaligned, the cold-start problem that kept earlier theorem-provers niche, and what it means for the future of mathematical trust once AI can generate proofs faster than any human community can read them.

    Timeline:

    00:00 Introduction to Lean and Its Significance

    03:18 The Journey of Writing the Book

    05:13 Human Element in Mathematical Formalization

    06:57 Understanding Formal Proofs in Mathematics

    11:21 The Origins of Lean and Its Purpose

    13:03 Misalignment in Software Specifications

    14:39 Building Mathematical Libraries in Lean

    17:23 Ensuring Accuracy in Mathematical Foundations

    22:00 Overcoming the Cold Start Problem in Lean Adoption

    24:36 The Future of Mathematical Proofs

    30:26 AI's Role in Mathematics

    38:29 Expanding Beyond Mathematics

    41:40 The Long-Term Impact of Lean

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    24 June 2026, 2:09 pm
  • 40 minutes 6 seconds
    How Data Science Exposes Injustice: Chad Topaz on Unlocking Justice

    What happens when the evidence of injustice is buried in messy, redacted, or inaccessible data? Mathematician and data scientist Chad Topaz joins Breaking Math to discuss his book Unlocking Justice. Together, we explore policing, sentencing, public records, Rikers Island, algorithmic risk, and the limits of quantifying human lives. This is a conversation about math, power, transparency, and the small acts of hope that can change systems.

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction and Context of the Conversation

    01:11 Chad's Journey from Mathematics to Social Justice

    03:50 The Personal Nature of Chad's Book

    04:40 Challenges in Data Collection and Access

    08:03 The Impact of Data on Policing and Surveillance

    09:51 Humorous Yet Tragic Data Collection Experiences

    12:55 The Importance of Data Preparation and Cleaning

    14:40 Navigating Imperfect Data and Its Consequences

    17:48 The Balance Between Quantification and Human Stories

    22:25 Incarceration and Public Health: The Rikers Island Case Study

    31:36 Mathematics and Social Justice: Secrets of the Elite

    39:03 Hope and Action: A Personal Journey in Data for Justice

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    10 June 2026, 10:00 pm
  • 44 minutes 24 seconds
    Rise of the Robots: Is AI Coming for Your Job?

    This conversation explores the profound impact of AI and automation on the future of work, economy, and society. Featuring Martin Ford, author of 'Rise of the Robots,' the discussion covers technological progress, economic implications, policy ideas like universal basic income, and the evolving nature of jobs in an AI-driven world.

    Key Topics

    Impact of AI on employment and economy

    Potential of universal basic income as a solution

    Differences between past technological revolutions and AI

    The evolution from physical robots to AI software agents

    Jobs most vulnerable to automation and AI

    Chapters

    04:14 The Impact of Technological Revolutions on Employment

    10:40 The Shift from Physical to Intellectual Automation

    12:16 The Debate: Replacement vs. Augmentation of Jobs

    18:01 Economic Implications of Job Displacement

    21:00 Exploring Solutions: Universal Basic Income and Beyond

    24:08 The Awakening of Economists

    25:12 Historical Perspectives on Automation

    28:27 Navigating the Future Job Market

    32:57 The Role of Skilled Trades in an AI World

    38:13 The Alien Thought Experiment

    42:17 The Future of AI and Its Implications

    44:14 The Rise of Automation and Its Impact

    45:14 AI as a Digital Workforce

    45:38 The Shifting Landscape of Work

    46:08 Questioning the Future of Automation and AI

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    2 June 2026, 4:39 am
  • 47 minutes 3 seconds
    The Echoing Universe: How Radio Waves, AI, and Math Could Help Us Find Aliens with Emma Chapman

    Dr. Emma Chapman explains radio astronomy using the fruit bowl metaphor, explores the emotional and scientific aspects of space exploration, and discusses future technologies like the Square Kilometre Array and lunar radio telescopes. The conversation highlights the poetic beauty of the universe, the importance of connection, and the role of math and AI in understanding the cosmos with her book the Echoing Universe.

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    03:17 Understanding Radio Astronomy

    08:12 The Intimacy of the Solar System

    09:10 Tidal Locking and the Moon

    13:36 The Emotional Lives of Astronauts' Families

    17:53 The Shared Experience of Space Exploration

    21:58 The Emotional Resonance of Celestial Events

    26:41 Facing the Universe: Overcoming Fear through Cosmology

    28:16 Cultural Perspectives: How Civilizations Understand the Cosmos

    30:52 Astronomy's Historical Impact: Control and Awe in Civilizations

    31:05 The Unlikely Scientist: James Stanley Hay's Discovery

    40:31 AI in Astronomy: Harnessing Data for Discovery

    45:14 The Next Frontier: Radio Telescopes on the Moon

    47:38 A New Perspective: The Space Between Stars

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    29 May 2026, 4:13 am
  • 29 minutes 38 seconds
    AI Solves 80-Year-Old Math Conjecture: What It Means for the Future of Mathematics

    This episode explores how AI, specifically OpenAI's recent breakthrough in solving an 80-year-old math conjecture, is transforming the field of mathematics. Featuring insights from Professor Daniel Litt, the discussion covers the implications of AI in mathematical research, the value of human verification, and the future of mathematical practice.

    Key topics

    AI solving long-standing mathematical problems

    The role of human verification in AI-generated proofs

    Implications of AI breakthroughs in discrete geometry

    The future of mathematical research with AI

    Number theory and algebraic constructions in AI discoveries

    Chapters

    00:00 Introduction to the Conjecture and Its Significance

    01:15 Understanding the Erdős Problem

    04:34 The Role of AI in Solving Mathematical Problems

    09:17 The Implications of AI in Mathematics

    10:32 AI vs Human Mathematicians: A Comparative Analysis

    17:20 Standards for AI-Generated Proofs

    21:10 Corporate Interests in Mathematical Research

    24:42 The Future of Mathematics and AI

    27:50 Final Thoughts on AI and Mathematics

    31:37 Revolutionizing Mathematics: AI's Breakthrough in Discrete Geometry

    37:37 Exploring the Implications: AI and the Future of Mathematics

    38:03 The Role of AI in Mathematics

    39:23 Human Value in the Age of AI

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    23 May 2026, 6:17 am
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