Teaching Testing and Design

Guests

• Betsy Haibel: CTO at Cohere. Blogs at betsyhaibel.com.
• Avdi Grimm: Head Chef at RubyTapas. Blogs at avdi.codes.
• Penelope Phippen: Works at Google, makes Rubyfmt, helps make RSpec, and is on the board of Ruby Central. Blog.

Summary

After the discussions on testing and design in episodes 68 and 69, I had so much I still wanted to talk about in testing, design, and teaching testing and design. So I convened a panel with previous Tech Done Right Guests Avdi Grimm, Betsy Haibel, and Penelope Phippen to help me think through all these topics. I was very happy to have all of them on the show, and I think it's a great conversation. Stay tuned until the very end for an update about the show.

Related Episodes with These Guests

• Avdi: 20 Years of Web Development, Ruby Tapas and Avoiding Code
• Betsy: Diverse Agile Teams, How Set Design Can Inform Software Architecture
• Penelope: Code Style and Community, Back in the Testing Weeds, In The Testing Weeds

Notes

00:50 - Previously On: Re: Testing

• Pragmatic Programmer at 20 with Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt
• Teaching and Learning with Sandi Metz

02:53 - Testing and Design

• 99 Bottles of OOP
  05:43 - TDD

• Test Driven Development

• Do We Need Constants

09:36 - Testing, But Not Developer Testing + Sliming The Test

• WikiWikiWeb

13:41 - Why + How Did You Learn TDD?

20:24 - TDD: Not a Robust Process

24:19 - Rails + Unit Testing

27:41 - Is TDD really dead?

35:06 - Keeping Code In Your Head

37:32 - Approaching the Testing and Design of Code

38:59 - What would convince you to stop doing TDD?

Special Guests: Avdi Grimm, Betsy Haibel, and Penelope Phippen.

Supporting Innovation With Mike Todasco

Guest

Mike Todasco: Senior Director of Innovation at PayPal

Summary

Today on the show we have Mike Todasco, the Senior Director of Innovation at PayPal. We talk about what innovation means at a company, and how to encourage innovation both if you are a PayPal sized company and if you aren’t. Mike also shares some information about PayPal’s internal innovation tournament and how they offer incentives for innovation.

Notes

01:38 - What does the Senior Director of Innovation at PayPal do?

02:32 - Why should companies innovate?

04:29 - Who should be innovating?

08:26 - Assisting and Guiding in Innovation

11:15 - Introducing Innovation to Companies and Teams: Vulnerability

16:06 - Encouraging Innovation

18:44 - The Concept of Global Innovation Tournaments

24:34 - Giving People Opportunity and Exposure

28:40 - Innovation Tokens

30:59 - Innovation For Small Companies

32:39 - Interesting Innovations

Special Guest: Mike Todasco.

How To Buy Software With Ashley Quinto Powell

Guest

Ashley Quinto Powell: Director of Business Development at Table XI.

Summary

Today on the show, we have Ashley Quinto Powell. Ashley and I have run a workshop together called How to Buy Software aimed at people who want to buy custom software but aren't sure what the process will be like. In this episode, we try to compress a four-hour workshop into a 45-minute podcast. Ashley will talk about what to expect from the sales process and then Ashley will interview me about what it's like to work with a development team. I hope you like it.

Notes

01:40 - How do you buy software?

02:47 - Common Misconceptions When Starting the Process

04:20 - Preparing for a Conversation About Buying Software

06:42 - Terminology To Know

Offshore / Nearshore

• Agile / Waterfall
• Time and Materials Contract / Fixed Contract

16:08 - Interacting with a Development Team

18:28 - Estimation

28:16 - Signs Things Are Going Well / Red Flags

Special Guest: Ashley Quinto Powell.

Teaching and Learning with Sandi Metz

Guest

Sandi Metz:: Author of Practical Object-Oriented Development in Ruby and 99 Bottles of OOP. sandimetz.com

Summary

Today on the show we have Sandi Metz, author of Practical Object Oriented Design in Ruby and co-author of 99 bottles of OOP. I’ve literally been trying to get Sandi as a guest since we started recording the show and I’m thrilled that we’ve finally been able to connect. We talk about OOP and TDD, maybe going down a test-driven rabbit hole for a while, and also talk about what it’s like to teach and coach about OOP and TDD. I enjoyed this talk very much and I think you will, too.

Notes

02:46 - Keeping Up With Tech

04:58 - Object-Oriented Design

09:53 - Why do we write tests?

17:53 - Teaching Yourself TDD

22:11 - Procedures and Patterns

34:07 - CI

• Jim Weirich

39:23 - Approaching TDD

44:49 - What should we be doing as a community to share knowledge?

• The Magic Tricks of Testing

Special Guest: Sandi Metz.

Pragmatic Programmer at 20 with Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt

Guests

Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt: Authors of The Pragmatic Programmer and publishers of The Pragmatic Bookshelf.

Summary

I’m very excited to have Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt on the show today. Dave and Andy are the authors of the Pragmatic Programmer, which has a 20th anniversary edition that is out now, and they are the publishers of the Pragmatic Bookshelf, where they have (full disclosure) published my books a time or two. We talk about what’s changed in the new version, what being a Pragmatic Programmer means, whether there’s still a role for tech books, and how to make automated testing pragmatic. Somehow I avoid telling the slightly embarrassing story about the bad impression I made the first time I met Dave. Enjoy.

Notes

02:52 - Revisiting the Book 20 Years Later and What Has Changed/Hasn’t Changed

06:41 - What it Means to be a Pragmatic Programmer

08:39 - Software Development as a Team Sport

12:56 - Extreme Programming Explained and The Pragmatic Programmer; Similarities and Differences

• Extreme Programming Explained
• Agile Manifesto

22:09 - Finding The Pragmatic Programmer Voice/Tone

24:55 - Roles for Dead-Tree Technical Books

30:36 - How To Make Automatic Testing Pragmatic

Special Guests: Andy Hunt and Dave Thomas.

Civic Software with Alex Pedersen and Abhi Nemani

Guests

• Alex Pedersen: Co-founder of Polco.

• Abhi Nemani Founder of EthosLabs.

Summary

This week, we have Alex Pedersen of Polco and Abhi Nemani of EthosLabs. They're both involved in various uses of technology to increase civic engagement. We'll talk about how technology can improve the public sector and why technologists should be interested in public sector work.

Notes

02:09 - Technology and Civic + Political Engagement

06:14 - Risks of Making the Government More Technological

10:01 - Balancing Conversations Amongst Citizens

12:18 - Building and Designing Software for Government vs Commercial Use

14:39 - Getting Involved in Government, Civic Engagement, and the Public Sector

• Code For America
• Chi Hack Night
• Abhi's Course Notes in Civic Tech

Special Guests: Abhi Nemani and Alex Pederson.

Stories and Community with Ariel Caplan

Guest

Ariel Caplan: Co-Host of Dev Empathy Book Club, Backend Developer at Cloudinary, and Flatiron School Alum. Personal Site

Summary

Our guest this week is Ariel Caplan. Ariel is a developer at Cloudinary and the Founder of the Dev Empathy Book Club. At RailsConf this year, Ariel gave a keynote about culture and stories using examples from Israeli and American children's literature. In our conversation, we focus on the stories that developers tell ourselves about who is successful, what it takes to be successful, and what people and skills are left out of those stories, and how we might be able to change them.

Notes

02:18 - Stories We Tell New Members of the Community

• RailsConf 2019 - Keynote: The Stories We Tell Our Children by Ariel Caplan

04:17 - The Myth of the Lone Genius

06:28 - How Stories Affect Day-to-Day Expectations on Teams

• The Passion Gospel - Avdi Grimm
• Passion | David Mitchell's SoapBox
• Tim Cook Thanks Apple Devs

12:36 - Stories That Benefit Our Employers

16:11 - How We Treat New Developers

• Don't Ask Us Questions. We'll Just Ignore You.

21:11 - “Real Programmers”

• Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the World

26:30 - Computer Science Education

31:07 - People Skills and Community

Special Guest: Ariel Caplan.

Managing Pain and Suffering at Work with Amy Newell

Guest

Amy Newell:: Director of Engineering at Wistia. Previous Director of Engineering at PatientsLikeMe. RailsConf 2019 - Failure, Risk, and Shame: Approaching Suffering at Work by Amy Newell

Summary

Our guest this week is Amy Newell. Amy is the Director of Engineering at Wistia, and she gave a talk at RailsConf this year entitled “Failure, Risk, and Shame: Approaching pain and suffering at work”. We have what I hope is an uplifting conversation about failure and pain, how to recognize it, and how to skillfully manage those feelings to be more resilient, prevent additional pain, and ultimately be more satisfied with your job.

Notes

01:56 - Why Use Words Like “Pain” and “Shame” When Talking About Work Experience

• Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman

04:21 - Specific Kinds of Pain and Suffering at Work

07:31 - Mistakes People Make When They’re Dealing with Failure, Anxiety, and Shame

10:28 - Skillful Responses

17:37 - Mitigating Pain

21:57 - Skillful Responses (Cont’d)

25:04 - Mindfulness

• RAIN: Tara Brach

30:34 - Feedback and Identity

• Thanks for the Feedback: The Science and Art of Receiving Feedback Well by Douglas Stone and Sheila Heen
• Paul Graham: Keep Your Identity Small

Special Guest: Amy Newell.

AI and Privacy with Bärí A. Williams

Guest

Bärí A. Williams: VP of Legal, Business, and Policy Affairs at All Turtles, a startup advisor in the tech industry, and a published author in the New York Times, WIRED, Fortune, and Fast Company. Bärí writes at bariawilliams.com.

Summary

Our guest this week is Bärí A. Williams, the VP of Legal, Business, and Policy Affairs at All Turtles. She provides legal guidance to startups working with Artificial Intelligence. Bärí was a keynote speaker at RailsConf this year, you can see the video at https://youtu.be/HBAra5J5c90. She and I talk about writing ethical terms of service, and how to collect and use data properly. We talk about facial recognition and other data mining and machine learning topics in the news, and how having a diverse user and testing base can prevent damaging mistakes.

Notes

01:48 - The Intersection of Law and Tech

• Bärí's RailsConf keynote: Ethical Issues in the Law and Tech with Production Ideation, Creation & Shipping

03:16 - Writing Ethical and Clear Terms of Service

05:48 - Legal and Ethical Collection of Data

09:01 - Principles That Should Be in Ethical Codes of Conduct

10:38 - Combatting Algorithmic Bias in AI

• Conference Speaking and Diverse Perspectives with Carina C. Zona and Mark Yoon
• Carina Zona: Consequences of an Insightful Algorithm

14:15 - Facial Recognition Technology and The Importance of Diverse Testing

18:07 - Facial Recognition Technology and Preventing the Selling of Information

• Facial recognition creeps up on a JetBlue passenger and she hates it
• HUD Is Suing Facebook For Housing Discrimination

26:39 - Facial Recognition Technology, DNA and the Government

• San Francisco Bans Facial Recognition Technology
• The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks

31:18 - Opting In and Out of Things Due to Privacy Concerns

• GDPR: Right to be Forgotten

Special Guest: Bärí A. Williams.

Software Consulting With Chad Pytel

Guest

Chad Pytel: CEO, Co-Founder, and Developer of thoughtbot.

Summary

Our guest this week is Chad Pytel. Chad is the CEO of thoughtbot, which is a design and development firm known in the world for its support of open source projects like paperclip and shoulda. Chad and I talk about how to make short consulting projects work, the importance of hiring, why thoughtbot makes their internal guides public, and how they continue to be able to support open source. It's a great conversation about how thoughtbot approaches the world.

Notes

02:09 - How thoughtbot Works as an Integrated Design and Development Team

06:50 - Handling Discovery Phases and Product Design Sprints

11:40 - When Clients Aren’t a Good Fit and Setting Expectations

14:12 - Hiring for Values

• Beyond the Whiteboard Interview

21:05 - The thoughtbot Playbook

26:43 - Client Communication During Projects

30:48 - Investment Days and Supporting Open Source Projects

36:49 - Using Rails and Not Using Rails

Special Guest: Chad Pytel.

Food and Design Thinking

TableXI is now offering training for developers and products teams! For more info, email [email protected].

Guests

• Rex Chekal: Director of Digital Strategy and Product Designer at Table XI.
• Jessie Shternshus: Founder and Owner of the Improv Effect.
• Chemia Davis: Innovation Methods Conductor and Member of the Tyson Foods Innovation Lab.
• Santi Proano: Experimental Brand Dreamer for Yappah Foods and Member of the Tyson Foods Innovation Lab.

Summary

In this episode, we have a slightly different topic for Tech Done Right - food. Table XI has been working to adapt our design sprint process out of the realm of custom software and into more general product design. In particular, we've worked with Tyson Foods Innovation Lab on a few different projects including the creation of their Yappah brand which is designed to prevent food waste. In this episode, you'll hear from Chemia Davis and Santi Proano from Tyson, Rex Chekal from Table XI and Jessie Shternshus from the Improv Effect and we'll show you how we adapted design thinking and Agile process from software to food products.

Notes

02:58 - The Scope of Work Between Table XI and Tyson Foods Innovation Lab

04:08 - The Goal of the Innovation Lab

• Consumer Packaged Goods (CPG)

06:51 - Bringing Design Thinking to Product Development and CPGs

11:13 - Design Steps

• Nduja
• YAPPAH! Chicken Crisps

17:14 - Facilitating Communication

22:05 - The Sprint Week Experience

• The Three-Hour Brand Sprint

26:40 - Next Steps After Sprint Week

• Yappah on Indiegogo

29:32 - Learning From the Design and Coaching Process

Special Guests: Chemia Davis, Jesse Shternshus, Rex Chekal, and Santi Proano.