Ten years of the Embracing Intensity podcast! When I first started sharing conversations about giftedness, intensity, creativity, and twice-exceptionality, I couldn't have imagined all the people I would connect with along the way.

For this special 10th anniversary episode, I decided to revisit a question I've asked listeners, past guests, friends, and community members at previous podcast milestones:

What does embracing intensity mean to you?

The responses reflect just how differently we experience and understand intensity. For some, it's about finally recognizing that the way their brain works makes sense. For others, it's about self-acceptance, finding spaces where they can be themselves, learning to honor their need for rest, or discovering how to channel their creative energy.

One of my favorite things about hosting this podcast has always been how the same question can lead to completely different conversations. Over the years, those conversations have helped me build friendships, deepen my own understanding of neurodivergence, and create a community that extends far beyond the podcast itself.

In this anniversary episode, I'm sharing new reflections alongside a few favorites from earlier celebrations. We hear from people who've been part of Embracing Intensity since before the podcast began, guests who've contributed their expertise to community calls, and friends I've connected with both online and in person.

It's also an opportunity to remember how our relationships with intensity can change over time, and how much it matters to have people around us who understand and appreciate the ways we're different.

In This Episode:

• Celebrating 10 years of the Embracing Intensity podcast and the community that has grown around it

• Revisiting the question, "What does embracing intensity mean to you?"

• How learning about giftedness, ADHD, and twice-exceptionality can change the way we understand ourselves

• Giving ourselves permission to rest and recover after social and creative activities

• Finding organizational tools and systems that work with our individual brains

• Recognizing that neurodivergent people can share similar challenges while having very different needs and experiences

• Looking at intense emotions and behaviors with curiosity and compassion

• Finding the courage to show up as our authentic selves

• Understanding the exhaustion that can come from continually toning down our thoughts, emotions, and responses

• The value of self-acceptance and finding a sense of purpose

• Honoring multiple interests, ambitions, and responsibilities without pushing ourselves to exhaustion

• Creating community where people feel welcome to bring their full selves

• The role of friendship and personal connection in building a supportive neurodivergent community

• How online relationships can develop into meaningful friendships across geographic distances

• Raising awareness and acceptance of giftedness and different ways of thinking

• Recognizing intensity as something dynamic that involves our emotions, bodies, environments, and needs

• Finding environments where our intensity is genuinely valued and encouraged

• The experience of discovering a podcast or community that finally puts words to something we've felt our entire lives

• Remembering community members whose contributions continue to have an impact

• Reflecting on how the podcast and community have remained meaningful through personal changes, burnout, and shifting priorities

Ten Years of Befriending Our Brains

One of the themes that comes through in these reflections is how much can change when we begin to understand our own needs.

Lana has been part of my work since the early Ignite Your Power groups, before the podcast even began. She shares how learning to give herself permission to rest and experimenting with different organizational tools helped her build systems that work for her brain.

My mom, Linda Horton, shares how learning about twice-exceptionality has influenced our family across generations. Even my grandmother, who is now 100, was able to reconsider a lifelong belief that she had been lazy after learning more about ADHD traits.

Mathias offers another perspective on self-understanding: looking at the parts of ourselves that seem difficult and asking what those feelings, behaviors, or thought patterns might be trying to accomplish.

These reflections capture something I've returned to throughout the podcast: the value of approaching our own brains with curiosity and finding practical ways to support ourselves.

Finding Community Where We Can Be Ourselves

Another major theme is the importance of finding people and environments where we can express ourselves more freely.

Nneka Denise talks about bringing our fullest, most authentic selves into community and how our different experiences and perspectives make those communities stronger.

Cosette Coco Leary reflects on finding a space where she could celebrate her voice and explore her own self-acceptance. Rukshana Trim shares her appreciation for the many different backgrounds, talents, and stories represented throughout the podcast's history.

Boonie reminds us that our worth isn't determined by whether other people recognize or accept our intensity.

Alice offers a particularly meaningful perspective on finding environments where our intensity is welcomed, valued, and encouraged.

And Brendan Mahan reflects on both the awareness the podcast has helped build around giftedness and the friendship we've developed over the years.

These connections are a big part of why I've continued doing this work. Some began through podcast interviews or online networking, others through community calls, and many have grown into friendships that extend well beyond our original conversations.

Embracing Our Creativity, Capacity, and Needs

Several contributors reflect on the relationship between intensity and the ways we choose to spend our energy.

Madeline shares what it means to care deeply about motherhood while also wanting independence, meaningful work, and opportunities to grow. She's learning to honor those different desires without feeling obligated to pursue every idea or exhaust herself in the process.

Gina describes the energy involved in continually moderating quick thoughts and emotional responses, and the relief of recognizing why she needs rest. She also shares how the tools and resources from Embracing Intensity have supported her work with students.

Dr. Kimberly Douglas brings another dimension to the conversation, describing intensity as dynamic and inviting us to pay attention to what our minds, hearts, and bodies are communicating.

Boonie reflects on honoring the curiosity and playfulness of our younger selves and finding ways to express those parts of ourselves now.

Leah K. Walsh reflects on intensity as creative life force and the importance of compassion toward difference and possibility.

Together, these perspectives show how embracing intensity can involve both expressing our energy and recognizing what we need to sustain it.

The Power of Recognition and Belonging

For this episode, I also revisited a reflection from Angel, who originally shared her experience for an earlier anniversary celebration.

She describes discovering the podcast and hearing people talk about experiences that felt deeply familiar, even though she had rarely shared those experiences with anyone herself.

That feeling of recognition is something I've heard from many listeners over the years. Learning that other people experience similar patterns of thought, emotion, curiosity, and sensitivity can open up new ways of understanding ourselves.

Boonie also speaks to the importance of finding spaces where our emotional depth and authentic expression are welcomed, while remembering that our value doesn't depend on others' acceptance.

Mark, a newer member of the community, shares how the podcast, workbooks, and monthly calls have helped him connect with others while reflecting on his own giftedness and self-care.

The range of experiences represented in this episode reminds me that community can be meaningful in different ways at different points in our lives.

Remembering Javaughn Fernanders

I wanted to close this anniversary episode by revisiting the words of Javaughn Fernanders, a friend and community member who recently passed away from cancer.

Javaughn shared a reflection for a previous anniversary episode about learning to nurture her intensity and invest in the creative energy it brought into her life.

After her passing, a family friend reached out looking for the recording she had shared with our community.

Being able to revisit her words for this anniversary is especially meaningful. It's a reminder that the stories we share and the connections we make can continue to matter long after the original conversation.

Voices Featured in This Anniversary Episode

Thank you to everyone who contributed new reflections or whose words were revisited from previous anniversary episodes.

Names are listed below so I can add full names and relevant links.

• Lana Quackenbush — longtime friend and Ignite Your Power community member

• Linda Horton — my mom and longtime community call participant

• Mathias Quackenbush — community member and previous anniversary contributor

• Sarah McCarthy — friend and past intuitive tarot workshop facilitator

• Gina Terwillager Mercado — friend, editor, and tutor

• Nneka Denise — writer, theater artist, and Writing to Heal guest speaker

• Cosette "Coco" Leary — author of From Welfare to the White House and community guest speaker

• Rukshana Triem — past podcast guest and community builder

• Madeline Roosevelt Defuria — past podcast guest and multipotentialite

• Leah K. Walsh — coach and previous anniversary contributor

• Brendan Mahan — host of ADHD Essentials and author of Overcoming the Wall of Awful

• Mark Williams — Embracing Intensity community member

• Dr. Kimberly Douglas — educator and guest speaker on decolonizing neurodivergence and owning your worth

• Boontarika Sripom — giftedness and mental health advocate and past guest speaker on the power of play

• Alice Betton — community member and past guest speaker on intuitive flow

• Angel — listener and previous anniversary contributor

• Javaughn Fernanders — artist and community member, remembered through her earlier reflection

Continuing the Embracing Intensity Community

Over the past decade, Embracing Intensity has evolved through different projects, programs, collaborations, and community spaces.

I've also gone through plenty of changes myself, including navigating burnout, returning to full-time work in schools, and finding new ways to balance my energy and interests.

Through all of that, I keep coming back to the connections I've made through this work and the value of having a community where gifted, creative, neurodivergent, and twice-exceptional people can learn from one another.

Thank you to everyone who has listened, shared their stories, joined our calls, contributed their expertise, or helped make this community what it is over the past ten years.

Resources

• Embracing Intensity

• Embracing Intensity Community and Guest Call Library

• Harnessing the Power of Your Intensity — free self-regulation workbook

• Previous 5th anniversary episode

• ADHD Essentials with Brendan Mahan

• Overcoming the Wall of Awful by Brendan Mahan

• From Welfare to the White House by Cosette Coco Leary

What can a lifetime in comedy teach us about creativity, connection, and using our intensity?

In this episode of Embracing Intensity, I talk with longtime friend, performer, and comedy teacher Angel Ocasio about his more than 40 years in physical comedy and clowning. Angel shares how an early love of comedy grew into a career in performance and teaching, and what he's learned along the way about creativity, experimentation, connecting with an audience, and finding your own way of doing things.

We also talk about having many different creative interests, learning from things that don't work, slowing down enough to notice what's happening around you, and bringing your own personality and experiences into your creative work instead of trying to perform like someone else.

Angel will also be joining the Embracing Intensity community for our upcoming call, Finding Humor in the Mundane, where we'll explore more of how he finds comedy in everyday experiences.

About Angel Ocasio

Angel Ocasio is a physical comedian, clown, comedy educator, and entertainer who has been performing professionally for more than four decades.

His path into professional comedy included clown workshops and attending Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Clown College in the class of 1984. He later spent 20 years with the Portland Rose Festival, including many years as its official mascot, the Clown Prince. During that time, he developed and taught a clown program that brought more than 200 people through training and performance.

Beyond comedy, Angel has a wide range of creative interests, including music, writing, poetry, and storytelling. His approach to performance centers on being real, approachable, and present with an audience, and creating connection rather than simply trying to impress people. Angel Angel

In This Episode:

• How watching classic comedians like Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, Laurel and Hardy, Abbott and Costello, and the Three Stooges influenced Angel's love of comedy
• Angel's journey from taking a clown workshop to attending Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Clown College
• What more than 40 years of performing has taught him about connecting with an audience
• Growing up in a passionate Puerto Rican family and the influence of his grandmother's humor
• Finding comedy in ordinary moments and experiences people immediately recognize
• Why slowing an everyday action down can reveal the humor already inside it
• The importance of reading an audience and recognizing when it's time to move on
• Treating an idea that doesn't work as information rather than simply as failure
• Angel's many interests in comedy, music, writing, teaching, and performance
• The challenge of wanting to pursue many creative paths
• Taking your craft seriously without taking yourself too seriously
• Why nervousness before a performance can be a sign that you care about what you're doing
• Learning to wait, breathe, and trust that the audience is with you
• How rushing can keep other people from having enough time to understand what you're trying to communicate
• Finding inspiration by observing the people and moments around you
• The advice to "be interested, not interesting"
• Why technical skill alone doesn't necessarily create connection
• Bringing yourself into your creative work instead of trying to imitate someone else
• How Angel helps students draw on their own personalities, histories, and experiences
• Using improvisation and physical comedy to build connection and teamwork
• Why live, person-to-person experiences still matter
• Remembering that an audience generally wants you to succeed Angel

Creativity, Experimentation, and Learning What Works

One of my favorite ideas from this conversation is Angel's perspective on things that don't work.

Creative work involves experimenting. Sometimes an idea gets the response you hoped for, and sometimes it doesn't. After decades of performing, Angel has learned to pay attention to those responses and adjust.

As he puts it, doing something that doesn't work means you've learned something. You can take what happened, figure out what you might do differently, and bring that information into the next attempt.

That perspective leaves room for experimentation without requiring every attempt to succeed. It also connects with Angel's experience teaching new performers: developing your craft means learning to slow down, trust the process, notice what's happening, and give yourself enough experience to discover what works for you. Angel

Many Interests and a Creative Life

Angel's creativity has never been limited to comedy. Throughout his life he's been drawn to music, writing, poetry, teaching, acting, and other possibilities.

We talk about the experience of having many things you're interested in and the feeling that you might have been able to master one particular thing if you'd focused exclusively on it. At the same time, those different interests have all become part of Angel's creative life.

Comedy eventually became the work he made a living from, but his interest in writing and music never disappeared. That range of interests gives us another way to think about creativity—not only as a particular skill or career, but as something that can find expression through many different parts of our lives. Angel

Taking the Work Seriously Without Taking Yourself Too Seriously

For Angel, comedy requires genuinely believing in what you're doing. Even something as simple as dropping an object becomes real within the world of the performance.

At the same time, taking the craft seriously doesn't require taking yourself seriously.

Angel talks about the patience involved in learning to perform: waiting for the audience, allowing a moment to develop, breathing through nervousness, and trusting that the people watching are willing to come along with you.

When performers rush because they already know where a routine is going, the audience may not have enough time to follow. Slowing down creates room for people to see what's happening and become part of the moment. Angel

Be Interested, Not Interesting

One piece of advice that has stayed with Angel throughout his career is to "be interested, not interesting."

For him, that means becoming genuinely invested in what you're doing rather than concentrating on how impressive you appear.

He shares the example of a talented juggler whose technical skills were impressive but didn't initially feel funny. Years later, Angel saw the same performer again and found himself laughing because the performance had become more connected, alive, and personal.

Angel encourages the people he teaches to bring their own history and personality into their work. You can learn from the people who came before you without trying to become them.

Finding Inspiration in Everyday Life

Angel has built much of his comedy around moments most of us would normally overlook.

Drop your keys once and it's an ordinary inconvenience. Drop them again, slow down, look at them, and wonder what just happened, and suddenly there's the beginning of a comedy routine.

That attention extends beyond performance. Angel talks about observing people throughout his life and remembering small interactions that reveal something funny, recognizable, or deeply human. Rather than constantly searching for something extraordinary, he pays attention to what's already happening around him.

We'll explore more of this in Angel's upcoming Embracing Intensity community call, Finding Humor in the Mundane.

Helping Others Find Their Own Creative Voice

Teaching has become an important part of Angel's work. During his years with the Portland Rose Festival, he helped train more than 200 people through the clown program he developed.

Many of those participants already had careers in completely different fields. Angel's goal wasn't to teach them to imitate famous clowns or put on a costume and become someone else. He encouraged them to draw from their own personalities, experiences, histories, and strengths.

He brings that same approach to workshops with performers, organizations, and people who simply want to explore comedy. Improvisation, physical comedy, and play become ways to experiment, connect with other people, and discover something about how you naturally express yourself.

Celebrating 10 Years of Embracing Intensity

October marks the 10-year anniversary of the Embracing Intensity podcast, and I'm gathering voices from listeners, community members, friends, and past guests for a special anniversary episode.

I'd love to hear your answer to the question:

What does embracing intensity mean to you?

If you'd like to be part of the anniversary episode, send me a recording or video sharing what Embracing Intensity has meant to you or how your relationship with your own intensity has changed over the years.

Resources

• Angel Ocasio: ocomedy.com
• Angel Ocasio: angelocasio.com
• Embracing Intensity Community: www.community.embracingintensity.com
• Upcoming community call: Finding Humor in the Mundane with Angel Ocasio

Sometimes knowing exactly what you need to do doesn't make it any easier to actually do it.

If you have ADHD, anxiety, or another neurodivergence, you may be familiar with the experience of looking at a task that should be relatively simple and finding yourself completely unable to start. The longer it sits there, the more emotions build around it—frustration, disappointment, guilt, anxiety, and eventually shame.

Brendan Mahan calls that emotional barrier the Wall of Awful.

In this special bonus episode of Embracing Intensity, Brendan joins our community to celebrate the release of his new book, Overcoming the Wall of Awful: Why It's Hard to Get Things Done with ADHD, Autism, and Anxiety, and How to Do Them Anyway.

We explore what the Wall of Awful actually is, the ways we try to get around it, and why some of our most familiar strategies may get us moving while creating other problems along the way. Brendan also shares some of the ideas he expands on in the book, including active and passive climbing, nervous system regulation, anxiety, rejection sensitivity, and why asking for help can have such a high barrier to entry.

Our community brought their own experiences into the conversation, particularly around guilt, shame, asking for help, and the tendency to assume we're a burden before giving someone else the opportunity to decide whether they have the capacity to help.

About Brendan Mahan

Brendan Mahan is an ADHD coach, educator, speaker, and host of the ADHD Essentials Podcast. Before moving into ADHD support and education, he spent about a decade working in schools in roles ranging from special education teacher to interim principal.

Brendan created the concept of the Wall of Awful to describe the emotional barriers that can make it difficult for people with ADHD and other forms of neurodivergence to initiate tasks. His new book, Overcoming the Wall of Awful, expands on the concept with practical strategies for understanding those emotional barriers and finding more sustainable ways through them.

Brendan is also involved with Calmer Con Boston, a sensory-sensitive comic book and pop culture convention designed to be more accessible to people with autism, ADHD, anxiety, and other needs.

In This Episode:

• What the Wall of Awful is and how emotions accumulate around tasks we struggle to start

• How disappointment, guilt, shame, rejection, and isolation can become "bricks" in our walls

• The five ways we respond to the Wall of Awful: staring at it, going around it, smashing it, climbing it, or putting a door in it

• How staring, going around, and smashing relate to freeze, flight, and fight responses

• Why anxiety and anger can get us through the wall while taking a toll on ourselves or our relationships

• How climbing the wall involves accepting the task, our emotions, or both before we can move toward action

• The difference between active climbing and passive climbing

• How smartphones and constant stimulation can interfere with the quiet mental processing that helps us work through emotions

• Using music, nature, movement, and "soft fascination" to give our brains space to process

• Why nervous system regulation sometimes means activating ourselves and sometimes means soothing ourselves

• The difference between guilt ("I made a mistake") and shame ("I am the mistake")

• Giving ourselves permission to have ADHD, autism, anxiety, giftedness, or other differences without turning our struggles into character judgments

• Why asking for help can have such a high upfront cost for neurodivergent people

• How we sometimes choose a harder task because it has a lower barrier to entry

• Figuring out whether difficulty asking for help comes from control, trust, overwhelm, rejection sensitivity, or not knowing what kind of help we need

• How breaking a task apart can allow someone else to take even a small portion off our plate

• The idea that letting other people help us can also mean letting them love us

• Why we may undervalue what we offer others while overvaluing what they do for us

• How sensitivity to other people's needs can lead us to decide for them that our request is "too much"

• The connection between rejection sensitivity and avoiding the vulnerability of asking

• Ask culture, guess culture, and how our communication backgrounds shape our comfort with making direct requests

• Why the person receiving help gets to determine the value of what we gave them

• Looking at failure more realistically instead of treating every mistake as catastrophic

• How rejection sensitivity can make a small mistake feel like "failing the class" when we really just missed one question on a quiz

• What Brendan added to the book beyond his original Wall of Awful videos

• Why change, relapse into old patterns, forgiveness, systems, habits, and planning are all part of getting past our walls

Getting Past the Wall

Brendan describes five basic responses to the Wall of Awful. We can stare at it, go around it, smash through it, climb it, or put a door in it.

Staring, going around, and smashing map closely to our stress responses of freeze, flight, and fight. Smashing can work—we may use anxiety, anger, pressure, or harsh self-talk to force ourselves into action—but getting something done doesn't necessarily mean the strategy was sustainable.

Climbing and putting a door in the wall offer other possibilities. Climbing involves working through and accepting what's happening internally until we're able to move forward. Putting a door in the wall means changing our emotional state so that the task becomes more accessible. Music, movement, body doubling, changing environments, or spending time with supportive people can all potentially create that shift.

Active and Passive Climbing

One of the ideas Brendan expands on in the book is the distinction between active and passive climbing.

Active climbing includes intentionally working through the task and the feelings surrounding it, using strategies to make initiation easier, or creating something concrete that helps you engage.

Passive climbing happens when we give our brains enough space to process in the background. Going for a walk, standing in line without reaching for your phone, listening to music, spending time near water, or engaging with something gently interesting can give the brain room to process emotions, learning, and ideas without demanding our full attention.

For neurodivergent people who are also prone to rumination, that mental space may need some direction. Brendan talks about using music, nature, and other forms of soft fascination to help steer the mind without overwhelming it.

Asking for Help

Asking for help sounds simple until you consider everything that may have to happen first. You have to recognize that you need help, figure out what kind of help you need, determine who might be able to provide it, explain what needs to be done, and tolerate the possibility that they might say no.

Sometimes doing everything ourselves feels easier simply because it has a lower barrier to entry.

We talk about the role of trust, control, rejection sensitivity, and fear of being a burden, as well as the possibility that other people may genuinely want to help. Brendan shares a reframe he's been working with himself: when helping others is one of the ways you show love, refusing to let anyone help you can also mean refusing to let them show their love for you.

About Overcoming the Wall of Awful

Brendan's book goes far beyond the original Wall of Awful concept many people first encountered through his videos with Jessica McCabe of How to ADHD.

The book explores the Wall itself, anxiety and the resources and skills we use to solve problems, and then digs deeper into the different ways we try to get past the Wall. Brendan devotes additional attention to climbing, including the new concept of passive climbing, before moving into change, systems, habits, self-forgiveness, and planning.

The book is designed to be practical and approachable, with chapter summaries, action steps, mascots for key concepts, and appendices and worksheets that readers can return to when they're facing their own Wall of Awful.

Resources:

• Overcoming the Wall of Awful: Why It's Hard to Get Things Done with ADHD, Autism, and Anxiety, and How to Do Them Anyway by Brendan Mahan

• ADHD Essentials Podcast

• Brendan Mahan's Wall of Awful videos with Jessica McCabe of How to ADHD

• Learn more about Shane

• Join the Embracing Intensity Community for access to the full Guest Call Library

What does it really mean to own your worth—especially when you're gifted, neurodivergent, or someone who genuinely wants to make a difference in the world?

In this episode of Embracing Intensity, I'm joined once again by the insightful Dr. Kimberly Douglas for a conversation that begins with pricing and entrepreneurship but quickly expands into something much bigger. We explore the difference between what we're capable of and what we actually have the capacity for, why so many of us undervalue our time and energy, and how shifting our focus from ourselves to the people we're trying to serve can change everything.

Although much of Kimberly's work is with entrepreneurs, this conversation is relevant whether you're running a business, navigating a career, or simply learning to honor your own energy and contributions. It's a thoughtful discussion about sustainability, self-worth, and building a life around impact rather than expectations.

About Dr. Kimberly Douglas

Dr. Kimberly Douglas is a strategist, educator, and former university professor who helps purpose-driven entrepreneurs build sustainable businesses through pricing strategy, systems thinking, and decolonizing traditional approaches to entrepreneurship. Drawing on her background in higher education and research, Kimberly combines practical business guidance with a deep understanding of neurodivergence, capacity, and the realities of creating meaningful work without sacrificing your well-being.

In This Episode

• The critical difference between capability and capacity—and why confusing the two leads to burnout
• Why owning your worth is about more than setting a price for your work
• How gifted and neurodivergent people often overestimate what they can sustainably take on
• The hidden costs of trying to do everything yourself
• Why understanding your ideal client makes sales feel more authentic and less personal
• How rejection sensitivity can make pricing and self-promotion especially difficult
• Why friends and family make wonderful supporters—but often poor long-term customers
• Building a business around relationships instead of algorithms
• The value of collecting meaningful feedback instead of relying on false metrics
• How to think about bartering, collaboration, and community support in sustainable ways
• Why asking for help is part of honoring your capacity

Key Topics Capability Isn't the Same as Capacity

One of Kimberly's most powerful insights is the distinction between capability and capacity. Many gifted and neurodivergent people are incredibly capable of learning new skills, solving complex problems, and taking on ambitious projects. That doesn't mean we have the physical, emotional, or mental capacity to do all of those things at once. Recognizing that difference can help us make more sustainable choices and avoid paying for our ambitions with our health.

Understanding the True Cost of Your Work

Whether you're running a business or managing a demanding career, Kimberly encourages us to think beyond financial costs. Every commitment requires energy, attention, and bandwidth. Pricing your work—or deciding where to invest your time—means accounting for those invisible costs as well as the hours involved.

Shifting the Focus Away From Yourself

For many entrepreneurs, pricing feels deeply personal. Kimberly offers a refreshing perspective: the conversation isn't really about you. It's about understanding the people you're trying to help. By learning what your ideal clients actually need, value, and struggle with, selling becomes less about overcoming rejection and more about solving meaningful problems.

Building Community Instead of Going It Alone

Rather than expecting friends and family to become customers, Kimberly suggests thinking about the many other ways they can support your work. Whether it's childcare, encouragement, meal prep, brainstorming, or simply believing in your vision, sustainable businesses are rarely built in isolation. She also shares thoughtful guidance on bartering, collaboration, and recognizing where outside support can strengthen your work.

Resources & Links

• Learn more about Dr. Kimberly Douglass on Linkedin
• Precision Pricing Infographic
• Join the Embracing Intensity Community
• Brendan Mahan's guest call on Overcoming the Wall of Awful
• Summer Camp Scavenger Hunt

This conversation is a reminder that owning your worth isn't about doing more or proving yourself. It's about recognizing your unique strengths, honoring your limits, and building systems that allow you to make the impact you're here to make—without sacrificing yourself in the process.

What does it mean to thrive as a twice-exceptional adult in a world that often misunderstands both giftedness and neurodivergence?

In this episode of Embracing Intensity, I'm joined by author, therapist, and educator Melanie Hayes for a wide-ranging discussion on the unique challenges and strengths of twice-exceptional (2e) adults. Although this conversation was originally recorded several years ago as a guest call for the community, it feels even more relevant today as conversations around burnout, masking, trauma, and neurodivergence continue to evolve.

As I revisited this conversation, I was struck by how much it reflected where I was at the beginning of my own burnout recovery journey—and how many of the themes still resonate today. We explore everything from school trauma and imposter syndrome to chronic illness, community, and what it takes to build a life that actually works for your brain.

About Melanie Hayes

Melanie Hayes is a marriage and family therapist, educator, author, and founder of Big Minds, a school designed specifically for twice-exceptional learners. For more than 30 years, she has worked to challenge traditional approaches to education and mental health by helping neurodivergent individuals embrace radical self-acceptance and build environments that support their strengths.

She is the author of Being Twice Exceptional and We Tried Normal, and her work focuses on helping gifted and neurodivergent people understand themselves more deeply and create lives aligned with who they truly are.

In This Episode

• Why complex trauma is so common among gifted and twice-exceptional individuals

• The impact of chronic stress, sensory overwhelm, and school environments on neurodivergent children and adults

• How attachment wounds and feeling misunderstood can shape self-image and relationships

• The connection between masking, burnout, chronic illness, and autoimmune disorders

• Why profoundly gifted and twice-exceptional people often struggle with imposter syndrome

• The importance of mirroring, validation, and finding people who truly "get" you

• How giftedness and neurodivergence can make traditional workplaces especially challenging

• Practical ideas for accommodations and creating work environments that support your needs

• Strategies for managing anxiety, rumination, and nervous system overwhelm

• The role of community in healing from shame and embracing authenticity

• Why being "well-adjusted" to an unhealthy system may not be the goal

Key Topics Explored The Hidden Trauma of Being Twice Exceptional

Melanie discusses how many twice-exceptional individuals experience ongoing stress throughout childhood—from sensory overwhelm and social exclusion to environments that constantly communicate that they are "too much" or "not enough." These experiences can accumulate into complex trauma that often goes unrecognized.

School Trauma and the Cost of Fitting In

We talk about how school can become one of the greatest sources of trauma for gifted and neurodivergent individuals. Even with supportive families, many students receive constant messages that they need to suppress their natural ways of thinking, learning, and interacting in order to succeed.

Imposter Syndrome and the Lack of Validation

When your strengths are overlooked and your challenges are constantly highlighted, it becomes difficult to trust your own abilities. Melanie explores why imposter syndrome is so prevalent among gifted and twice-exceptional adults and how a lack of mirroring and validation contributes to lifelong self-doubt.

Burnout, Masking, and Chronic Illness

One of the most powerful parts of this conversation centers on the long-term costs of masking. Many neurodivergent adults spend years trying to fit into environments that aren't designed for them, often at significant physical, emotional, and mental expense. We discuss how burnout can show up as exhaustion, anxiety, health challenges, and chronic illness.

Finding Community and Radical Self-Acceptance

Throughout the conversation, Melanie returns to the importance of self-acceptance and community. Healing often begins when we stop trying to become someone else and start surrounding ourselves with people who recognize our differences as strengths rather than deficits.

Resources & Links

• Melanie Hayes' book: Being Twice Exceptional

• Join the Embracing Intensity Community

As Melanie reminds us, thriving as a twice-exceptional adult isn't about becoming less intense, less sensitive, or more "normal." It's about understanding yourself, finding the right supports, and creating a life where your differences can become strengths rather than sources of shame.

Not all rest actually restores. Sometimes it just delays the crash.

In this solo episode of Embracing Intensity, I talk about what shifted for me when I went back to working full-time in schools, and why having less free time pushed me to get more intentional about how I use my energy.

I used to focus a lot on trying to do the "right" things—eat better, exercise more, use my time more efficiently—but I kept ending up exhausted anyway. What started to change things was paying closer attention to what actually gave me energy versus what drained it.

This episode is where I walk through that shift and share the RECHARGE framework I've been using—looking at energy across physical, mental, emotional, social, and connection areas. It's less about fixing everything and more about noticing patterns and making small adjustments that actually stick.

About Aurora

Aurora Remember Holtzman is a neurodivergent educator, coach, and host of the Embracing Intensity podcast. She supports gifted, creative, and outside-the-box thinkers in understanding their energy, working with their nervous systems, and building more sustainable ways of living and creating.

In This Episode

• Why some kinds of "rest" don't leave you feeling any better
• What changed when I stopped focusing on time and started looking at energy
• The idea of "contaminated time" and why it feels so unsatisfying
• How I've been approaching burnout differently this year
• The five areas of energy and how they show up in daily life
• Small ways to shift your energy without overhauling everything
• Why play, curiosity, and creativity matter more than we think
• How alignment in your environment and relationships affects your energy

The Five Areas of Energy

This episode looks at five different areas that all impact how recharged (or depleted) you feel. You don't need to overhaul all of them—just noticing where something feels off can be enough to start.

Physical Energy

This includes the obvious things like sleep and movement, but also how your body feels in your environment and routines. Small shifts—like changing positions, stepping outside, or actually finishing a task you've been avoiding—can make a noticeable difference.

Mental Energy

The way your brain is engaged matters. Too much stimulation can be overwhelming, but too little can leave you stuck. Play, challenge, and creative thinking can all help shift your energy in ways that feel more engaging.

Emotional Energy

Emotional fatigue doesn't always look dramatic. Sometimes it shows up as irritability, numbness, or just feeling off. Letting yourself process things—through expression, movement, or even just naming what's there—can ease that buildup.

Social Energy

Some interactions leave you feeling more like yourself, and some leave you drained. This section looks at things like masking, belonging, solitude, and what it feels like to be around people where you don't have to explain yourself.

Connection Energy

Even when you've rested, you can still feel disconnected. This area looks at things like purpose, ritual, time in nature, and moments that help you feel part of something beyond your day-to-day tasks.

Resources & Links

• RECHARGE Toolkit (7-day challenge)
• Embracing Intensity Community

In this powerful and deeply embodied conversation, I sit down with Juliana Allen - somatic experiencing practitioner, trauma-informed guide, and founder of Reclaim with Juliana - to explore nervous system regulation, reclaiming your body, and increasing your capacity to live from truth instead of obligation.

Juliana shares her journey of overriding her body for decades - through dance culture, perfectionism, an eating disorder, and even heteronormative expectations - before finally learning how to listen inward. Her story of coming out later in life during the pandemic is a powerful reminder that we don't know what we don't know - until we slow down enough to feel.

This episode is about unlearning, grounding, increasing nervous system capacity, and reclaiming your fire in a way that doesn't burn you.

Juliana will also be kicking off our 2026 Speaker Series inside the Embracing Intensity Community, where she'll go deeper into nervous system regulation and capacity building. I'm still welcoming feedback on the 2026 lineup - so reach out if you have requests!

About Juliana Allen

Juliana Allen (she/her) is a somatic experiencing practitioner in advanced training who specializes in nervous system regulation and trauma healing through the body. Through her work at Reclaim with Juliana, she helps women reconnect with their bodies, increase emotional capacity, and stop overriding their inner truth.

Her work is grounded in lived experience - including recovery from a long-term eating disorder, coming out as a lesbian in her mid-30s, and dismantling perfectionistic conditioning rooted in ballet culture. She brings depth, honesty, and fierce compassion to the healing process.

You can find her at:

• Instagram: @reclaimwithjuliana

• Website: reclaimwithjuliana.com

In This Episode:

• How overriding the body begins early - through school structure, dance culture, and social conditioning

• The connection between perfectionism, eating disorders, and nervous system dysregulation

• What it was like to come out later in life during the pandemic

• Why many of us were never taught to know what we actually want

• The role of somatic experiencing in trauma healing

• Why nervous system capacity determines how much we can hold - emotionally and relationally

• The difference between artificial regulation (like forcing calm) and true embodied regulation

• Why grounding is essential for fiery, "windy," or ADHD-leaning personalities

• How intensity becomes a gift once we learn how to stay with it

• Increasing your capacity so you can better serve others - and expand impact outward

Key Themes Reclaiming the Body

Juliana speaks candidly about years of overriding hunger cues, emotions, sexuality, and discomfort - and how learning to "stay with" sensations changed everything.

Nervous System Capacity

The more regulated your nervous system, the more you can hold - for yourself and for others. Capacity expands impact.

Intensity Isn't the Problem

Intensity feels overwhelming when we don't know how to be with it. But when grounded and embodied, it becomes power.

Grounding as a Daily Practice

Especially for those who feel "airy," fiery, or scattered - grounding practices and anchors are essential.

"The more work I do personally, the more my capacity increases. The more my capacity increases, the more I'm able to hold with other people. And then the more their capacity increases, the more they are able to do their work in the world. And it just expands."

Resources & Links

• Reclaim with Juliana: https://www.reclaimwithjuliana.com

• Instagram: @reclaimwithjuliana

• Join the Embracing Intensity Community: embracingintensity.com/community

• Free Harnessing the Power of Your Intensity Workbook: embracingintensity.com

If this episode resonated, consider sharing it with someone who's learning to trust their body again.

And if nervous system regulation is something you've wanted to understand more deeply, join us in 2026 when Juliana returns to speak live inside the community.

Intensity doesn't have to be overwhelming. With capacity, it becomes expansive.

This week on Embracing Intensity, I'm thrilled to finally sit down with the powerful and passionate Inger Shaye Colzie, a therapist and coach working at the intersection of ADHD, identity, and cultural experience. Inger shares her journey of being diagnosed with ADHD later in life, after decades of navigating systems and expectations that didn't see her neurodivergence—or the unique challenges that come with being a Black woman with ADHD.

Together, we dive into her experiences growing up gifted but overlooked, her path to founding the ADHD Black Professionals Alliance, and how she helps others own their fire and intensity without apology. Inger's insight, humor, and realness make this an episode you won't want to miss.

P.S. We're planning to bring Inger back for a guest call in the Embracing Intensity Community during the 2026 speaker season—I'd love your feedback on upcoming topics and guests!

About Inger Shaye Colzie

Inger is a therapist, ADHD coach, and the founder of the ADHD Black Professionals Alliance. Diagnosed later in life, she now uses her lived experience, clinical knowledge, and coaching tools to support other Black women navigating life, work, and relationships with ADHD. Through her practice and community, she creates spaces for healing, advocacy, and unapologetic self-discovery.

In This Episode:

• The experience of being undiagnosed with ADHD well into adulthood—and what finally led her to seek answers

• Growing up as an intense, passionate child whose energy was often misunderstood

• Why culturally relevant care is essential for Black women with ADHD

• The emotional impact of living with ADHD in a world not built for neurodivergent minds

• How diagnosis and coaching helped her reframe her identity and harness her gifts

• Creating the ADHD Black Professionals Alliance as a safe and empowering space

• Turning down the dial—or turning it up with intention

• The importance of coaching, community, and embracing your whole self

Resources & Links:

• Inger Shaye Colzie's Website & Coaching Info

• ADHD Black Professionals Alliance

• Join the Embracing Intensity Community

Whether you're navigating ADHD yourself or supporting others who are, this episode offers compassion, clarity, and community. Inger's story is a reminder that it's never too late to rewrite the narrative—and that when we embrace our fire, we light the way for others.

🎧 Listen now and share with someone who needs to hear they are not broken—just unseen.

Episode 290: Executive Functioning with Fizzah Zaidi

In this powerful episode of Embracing Intensity, I'm joined by the insightful and compassionate Fizzah Zaidi, a psychotherapist who specializes in working with neurodivergent individuals. We explore the complexities of executive functioning, and how understanding our brain's unique operating system can transform how we show up for ourselves and others.

Fizzah brings deep experience from her work with high-achieving neurodivergent clients in the tech, medical, and legal fields. Together, we discuss how neurodivergent brains often struggle not because they're broken, but because they're functioning differently—and those differences can also be sources of strength.

About Fizzah Zaidi

Fizzah Zaidi is a Chicago-based psychotherapist with a passion for working with neurodivergent adults. Her practice supports many twice-exceptional individuals in high-demand professions, and her work includes educating organizations on how to better support neurodiverse teams. Diagnosed with ADHD just before entering graduate school, she dove deep into understanding the brain and executive functioning through continuing education and real-world application.

In This Episode:

• Why rest isn't always about being still—and how energizing activities can also be restorative.

• The link between executive dysfunction and rejection sensitivity.

• How big-picture thinkers can better support task initiation and follow-through.

• Understanding the role of the prefrontal cortex and limbic system in executive functioning.

• Why complex tasks might be easier than basic ones for some neurodivergent folks.

• The importance of personalized strategies over one-size-fits-all "fixes."

• Using self-regulation instead of self-control to support executive function.

• Shifting the mindset from "fixing" to understanding your operating system.

🔗 Resources & Links

• Fizzah Zaidi's Website

• Join the Embracing Intensity Community

• Find Workbooks

• Embracing Intensity Guest Call Library

In this week's episode, Aurora sits down with Portland-based multidisciplinary artist and filmmaker Ilima Considine to explore how neurodivergence, art, music, and personal experience intersect to spark powerful creative expression. Ilima shares her journey through long COVID, chronic illness, and how she channels her intensity into film, empowering others in the process.

As Ilima prepares to premiere her second feature-length film, Drug Holiday, she talks about the themes of trauma, addiction, and radicalization—and how they resonate with creative and neurodivergent communities. This conversation dives deep into how one artist transforms challenges into bold storytelling.

🎨 About Ilima

Ilima Considine is best known as the frontwoman for the Sexbots and a multidisciplinary artist whose work spans music, visual art, and now film. After a severe bout of long COVID altered her career trajectory, Ilima dove headfirst into filmmaking, combining sound, visuals, and narrative to explore themes that are often hard to talk about—like grooming, neurodivergence, and societal trauma.

✨ In This Episode:

• How chronic illness and neurodivergence have shaped Ilima's creative process

• The story behind Drug Holiday, and how it reflects real-life struggles with trauma and radicalization

• The overlap between neurodivergent traits and the arts—and how Ilima fosters a safe space for collaborators

• Embracing intensity as a strength in both personal and professional life

• Why Portland became a haven for embracing eccentricity and creativity

• The value of harnessing hyperfocus and obsessive attention to detail

• Using film to bring light to dark topics in accessible, artistic ways

• Ilima's philosophy on directing: accommodating individual needs to help artists thrive

• Her own experiences with burnout, energy management, and the use of stimulants during film production

🔗 Resources & Links:

• Ilima's Website

• Check out her band: The Sexbots

• Watch Drug Holiday (Premiering Nov. 14th at Mission Theater, Portland)

• Join the Embracing Intensity Community

🎬 Whether you're an artist, a neurodivergent creative, or someone navigating chronic health challenges, Ilima's story is a powerful reminder that you can channel your fire into something deeply meaningful—and bring others along with you.