Inside the Hidden Battle: Dr. Chris Frueh & Rob Sweetman on "Operator Syndrome" and Military Mental Health

In this week’s compelling episode of the Team Never Quit Podcast, we welcome Dr. Chris Frueh, a distinguished clinical psychologist, professor of psychology, and published author with over 30 years of experience working with military veterans and active-duty personnel. Dr. Frueh shares his extensive expertise drawn from decades of clinical trials, epidemiology, historical insights, and neuroscience research. Listen as he unpacks his groundbreaking work on “Operator Syndrome” and reveals how this paradigm-shifting concept is transforming our understanding and treatment of the complex health, psychological, and interpersonal challenges faced by those in military special operations.

Extensive Expertise: Over thirty years of professional experience with military veterans and active-duty personnel.
Academic & Clinical Leadership: Clinical Psychologist, Professor of Psychology, and co-author of more than 300 scientific publications, including a graduate textbook on adult psychopathology.
Innovative Research: Pioneering work on “Operator Syndrome”—a framework addressing the interrelated challenges emerging from a career in military special operations
Influential Voice: Dr. Frueh has testified before the US Congress and served as a contractor for organizations such as the Department of Defense, Veterans Affairs, US State Department, and the National Board of Medical Examiners.
Media Presence: His insights have been featured in top publications and cited by outlets like the Wall Street Journal, The Economist, Washington Post, Scientific American, and NBC News.

Along with Dr Freud, Rob Sweetman brings much to the discussion. A former Navy SEAL with eight years of service, Rob faced numerous hidden injuries, including PTSD, Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), Obstructive Sleep Apnea, and Insomnia. The loss of a teammate to suicide became a turning point in his life, driving him to dedicate himself to the study of sleep science, determined to make a difference in the lives of others.

 Whether you’re a veteran, a mental health professional, or simply interested in groundbreaking research that bridges military experience and psychology, this episode is a must-listen. Tune in to gain valuable insights and join the conversation on advancing care for our military community.

In this episode you will hear:
• Through the military, the VA system, we’ve completely screwed the pooch with PTSD. We’ve put everything on PTSD. (6:47)
•  Because we’ve put that reliance on PTSD, we’ve not attended to sleep, and sleep apnea.  (7:22)
• We’ve failed a generation of soldiers. (8:01)
• Soldiers injure their brains in 2 ways. Impact forces that cause a concussion, but also the blasts have a shearing effect. That scars the glial cells in the nervous system. (8:21)
• We need to overhaul our approach to how we take care of soldiers, and by the way, this also affects first responders. (9:49)
• Soldiers fight their wars overseas (so far). Responders are in the streets of their home town. (10:08)
• We, and I say we as the medical establishment, of which I’ve been a part of for 30 years, we’ve fucked it all up. We’re not paying attention. (10:36)
• We’ve put all the focus on the psychological without appreciating the physiological. (15:49)
• There’s a lot of powers in the pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, and the hospitals that control the actions of doctors. (23:01)
• You can’t say that all sleep causes all mental [issues] and you can’t say that all mental health [issues] causes sleep health, but they’re definitely related. (24:55)
• We still don’t have suicide figured out. (26:26)
• You gotta have discipline. (32:22)
• A hypnogram is how we measure sleep with brain wave activity. (41:57)
• We have the best fighting force in the world. But we’ve been playing in the sand box of Iraq and Afghanistan. What’s gonna happen when we have our first word threat. When that pops up, are we gonna be ready? (51:45)
• Mr. Hegseth’s number one mission is to improve the lethality of the war fighter. (56:26)
• Last year, the VA spent 600 million dollars on suicide prevention efforts, that did not move the needle one little bit. (59:52)
• The concept of Operator Syndrome is not a diagnosis, it’s a framework for understanding how they’re all interrelated. (63:25)
• Your sleep affects your metabolism; it affects your hormone production. Testosterone is produced during sleep. Your brain health is affecting your sleep and your sleep is affecting your brain health. (63:38)

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Into the Fire: Storytelling and Survival with Phil Donlon & Gabe Mann
In this week’s Team Never Quit podcast, Marcus and Melanie dive deep into the art of storytelling—both on stage and in the heat of real-life danger. Our guests are two visionary filmmakers with unique, gripping perspectives on their craft: Phil Donlon, award-winning actor, filmmaker, and theater veteran, and Gabe Mann, director and cinematographer of the groundbreaking wildfire documentary Hotshot.
Phil Donlon takes us through his journey from the blue-collar streets of Chicago to the bright lights of Hollywood. A founding member of The Gilead Theater Company and a passionate storyteller, Donlon shares his experiences acting in renowned theater productions, signing with WME, and ultimately finding creative fulfillment by writing and directing his own films. His latest project, High & Outside: A Baseball Noir, is now streaming worldwide.
On the other end of the spectrum, Gabe Mann puts us directly in the line of fire—literally. His documentary Hotshot is a heart-pounding, first-person account of elite wildfire fighters who battle the flames without water, capturing their raw courage with breathtaking cinematography. After six years running alongside these real-life heroes, Mann shares the intensity, sacrifice, and unexpected pull of wildfire that changed his life forever.
From the front lines of nature’s most destructive force, this episode is about the power of storytelling, survival, and the relentless pursuit of passion.
Tune in for a conversation that will leave you inspired, shaken, and ready to chase your own fire.

In this episode you will hear:
• There’s something about when you witness wildfire firsthand. It does something to you. The actual firefighters call it “The Firebug.” It taps into something primal in men. I caught it. (6:00)
• Most of the photojournalists who actually do this right, are former firefighters. They actually have that certification. But for the most part, the kinds of people who are reporting for the Washington Post or The New York Times – they have no clue. (7:56)
• I’m a storyteller. So however I’m doing it, whether I’m an actor, whether I’m producing something, writing it – I just want to tell good stories. (9:46)
• We wanted to make a film that played like a narrative feature. (11:15)
• They’re so distracted with the climate change narrative, which really has nothing to do with wildfires. It’s the accumulation of fuel. (12:08)
• I’m the only dude in LA who’s actually from LA. (12:37)
• When you continue to put it on something that we don’t have control over – like the weather – it’s a completely disempowering narrative. (14:04)
• A wildfire is composed of 3 things. It’s called a fire triangle. You need all 3: Drought, Fuel, Ignition. (17:02)
• People were crying over all these giant Redwoods and Sequoias that were getting burned down back in 2020. And nobody ever asked the very obvious question. These trees are 2,000 years old, but the fire cycle in that forest is once every 300 years – you get a purging wildfire – How did get to be 2,000 years old? What happened 2,000 years ago that made these trees so robust? (17:39)
• There’s some people who have this gene that compels them to serve their country. (25:32)
• If we can get some people in Washington to see this film, I think we could help make change. (27:03)
• We have agency over wildfire. We can be proactive. We could solve it tomorrow, if we know what we’re supposed to do. If we look at what a hotshot crew does – literally all they do is get rid of plants. They’re either cutting them or burning them. That’s it. They don’t use water. (28:05)
• We started the film with a question. I think doing that gives people the opportunity to engage with the art in the appropriate way, which is – they answer the question. (47:34)
• Our motto when we were making this film was “Show, don’t tell.” (52:22)
• This is what art is for. It is for explaining and getting people to feel the things that you cannot adequately convey with words.

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The Ultimate Sacrifice: Honoring Corporal Jason Dunham’s Legacy
In this week's Team Never Quit Podcast, we learn the vivid details of the events leading up to the courage, love, and self-sacrifice made by Medal of Honor recipient, Corporal Jason L. Dunham of Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 7th Marines in Karabilah, Iraq. What a leader by example Jason was - to the point of throwing himself onto a grenade in an effort to save his comrades. Marcus' guests, David Kniess (Veteran & Producer) and Lieutenant Colonel Trent Gibson (Dunham’s Company Commander), not only bring Jason's story to life, but discuss the compelling and engaging upcoming documentary - The Gift. The Gift documentary is a personal project for David, who had a chance meeting with Corporal Dunham. That chance meeting led to lifelong friendships with the Dunham family and a core group of Marines from Kilo Company. David is actively involved in the Veteran community and has volunteered his time, producing content for Veteran Organizations such as Beteran, Stop Soldier Suicide, John Preston Music, and The Boot Campaign. David also served in the United States Navy aboard the USS Normandy (CG-60), a guided missile cruiser.
 
In this episode you will hear:
• Having the Dunham’s in my life has enriched my life. (10:52)
• It’s not just about Jason; it’s about everything that has affected all of you all those years. (15:46)
• Our generation and the younger generation is standing up and saying, “I’m not gonna wait for anyone. I’m gonna jump out there and teach guys how to surf, how to sing with dogs, start a podcast, and we’re talking about our shit. (22:44)
• [With regard to this film], all I care about is what Marines, Sailors, Airmen and Soldiers think.
For veterans who are still struggling, I want them to watch it and say “if these kid can do it, maybe I can do it too.” (26:44)
• I want civilians to know what it’s like for young men & women to go to war. (27:23)
• [Marcus] If somebody threw one of those “Thank you for service” lines at you – even if you haven’t done something – it’s coming…” (28:04)
• I believe in 3 things as a Marine. I believe in leadership by example; I believe in self-sacrifice for the greater good; and one man can make a difference. (33:06)
• Jason had the leadership qualities to lead a rifle squad of American sons. (37:39)
• Any leader who inspires his subordinates through personal example, to then return the favor and take care of him – that’s a true leader. (47:06)
• Dunham was a big boy. He’s not someone I would choose to grapple with. (54:38)
• Jason took off his Kevlar helmet, placed in on the grenade, and then laid down on it. (64:41)
• Knowing what I know of him now, he loved his marines so much. He didn’t just take care of them, he practiced taking care of them. Who fucking practices covering a live grenade with their helmet? (74:08)

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Special Guest: Former Texas Governor Rick Perry
Join Marcus and Melanie on this week’s Team Never Quit Podcast for an incredible conversation with former Texas Governor Rick Perry, as we dive into everything from rodeos to revolutionary treatments for veterans.

Topics Covered:
✅ Best Bar-B-Que Spots – During a lively discussion about the best Bar-B-Que spots, the consensus was clear—Texas is home to some of the best Bar-B-Que in the world. Many memorable places were mentioned: Truth Bar-B-Que in the Heights and in Brenham. As well as Merric Meat Company in Roundtop, TX. Franklin Barbecue in Austin tops the list with its legendary brisket, while Snow’s BBQ in Lexington, helmed by the iconic pitmaster Tootsie Tomanetz, remains a Saturday morning pilgrimage for smoked meat lovers. One of Marcus’ favorite spots is Tejas Bar-B-Que and Chocolate Factory, in Tomball, TX, as well as The County Line Bar-B-Que in Waller, TX.
Governor Perry states: “Brisket and sausage – nothing else even gets close. Our Bar-B-Que is the best in the world.” But one thing is certain—Texans take their Bar-B-Que as seriously as their state pride.
✅ How Marcus & Governor Perry Met – A story of friendship, leadership, and shared purpose.
✅ Morgan Luttrell’s Helicopter Crash – The harrowing experience of Marcus’ twin brother, Navy SEAL Morgan Luttrell.
✅ Ibogaine Treatment – A step-by-step breakdown of this groundbreaking therapy for PTSD and TBI.
✅ Stanford Study on Ibogaine – The latest research and findings on this alternative treatment.
✅ Texas Ibogaine Initiative – Governor Perry’s goals to bring this life-changing treatment to Texas.
✅ Marcus & Amber Capone’s Mission – How they’re saving lives by providing funding to help over 1,000 veterans seeking Ibogaine therapy.
✅ Unbelievable Survival Story – A former vet from the third Ranger Battalion had a jump accident where his parachute didn’t open, leading to a TBI for 17 years — until he found hope with Ambio and Ibogaine treatment.

Don’t miss this powerful conversation about healing, resilience, and the future of treatment for our veterans.

In This Episode You Will Hear:
• I made that fateful statement: “Hey if you’re ever through Austin, come by and see us.” Fat chance you’re gonna get into the Governor’s mansion, right? (10:48)
• As we make progress on getting Ibogaine off of schedule 1 and through clinical trials, that facilities will have Ibogaine available to treat traumatic brain injuries. (21:14)
• There is a way to regenerate the brain. (23:22)
• If you don’t want to quit, generally speaking, you’re not gonna. (31:42)
• Ibogaine. 1 treatment. Within 48 hours the desire is gone. The withdrawals – gone. (33:32)
• Ibogaine is on schedule 1. Schedule 1 is addictive, and that is has no medical purpose. (35:56)
• The best part about this is that you can’t lie t it. (36:25)
•  I tell people, “Be curious, lean into this.” (40:42)
• I think there are a lot of people who are starting clinics. Go somewhere reputable. Do your homework. Make sure there’s coaching before. (59:26)
• We spend billions of dollars in this state to treat people who have mental health issues. (61:39)
• There’s no reason why the state legislature wouldn’t go, you know what? We need to make this available. (64:57)
• I think that use of Ibogaine is another one that could have a massively powerful, positive effect on this country – I think even in the world. (69:51)
• For the naysayers and those who still are not believers, we’re gonna prove it to you. (71:00)

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Team Never Quit Podcast: From the Inauguration to the Rodeo – A Look Back & Ahead

In this week’s electrifying episode of the Team Never Quit Podcast, Marcus, Melanie, and Hunter take a trip down memory lane, revisiting some of the most unforgettable podcast episodes of 2024. But that’s just the beginning! The team shares their firsthand experience attending the historic inauguration of the 47th President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, in Washington, D.C. From rubbing shoulders with dignitaries and famous faces to taking in the awe-inspiring monuments and museums, they give you an inside look at this monumental event.

🏈 The Road to the Super Bowl
As football fever ramps up, the crew weighs in on the upcoming Super Bowl showdown in New Orleans—who’s got the edge, and what’s the ultimate game-day strategy?

🎖 Honoring 20 Years of Operation Red Wings
Marcus reflects on the significance of the 20th anniversary of Operation Red Wings, honoring the legacy of the brave men who made the ultimate sacrifice.

🤠 Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo Excitement
The countdown is on for one of Texas’ biggest and most beloved events—the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo! From bull riding to BBQ, Marcus, Melanie, and Hunter can’t wait to saddle up for all the action.

💬 Join the Conversation!
What are you most excited about—Super Bowl, the rodeo, or another big event? Let us know!

In This Episode You Will Hear:
• If you ever wanted to visit Texas, Houston rodeo season is one of the best times to come. March 4th thru the 23rd.   (6:22)
• No matter who you see walking out on those streets – if they’re from Houston Texas area, they’ve got a pair of boots and a hat in the closet. (6:58)
• The Houston Livestock Show & Rodeo brings back-to-back-to-back A-list artists every single night. (7:18)
• Nowhere else [will you experience] a carnival that big. (9:47)
• If you don’t have a cowboy hat, get one. (10:23)
• We just got back from the inauguration. It was so freaking cold; they had to change the whole schedule. (11:50)
• The next day, we were able to stand on the stage – the rotunda. (12:24)
• Everybody was walking around looking like badasses. (12:59)
• We got to go to the balls. (13:43)
• The best ball you could go to was the black-tie Texas Ball. Out of all of them, that’s the one you want to go to. (14:15)
• The professional fighters – they’re the nicest guys on the planet. (18:54)
• The Gulf of Mexico has been officially renamed ”The Gulf of America,” at least according to the U.S. (33:31)
• June 28, 2025 is the 20th anniversary of [Operation] Red Wings (41:02)
• This is the only time I’ll ever talk smack to a Marine when it comes to golf and playing with the PXG clubs, cause that guy – apparently, he’s got some kick-ass compound. (44:28)
• If you’re somewhere, young, entrepreneur or wanting to be an entrepreneur. If you’ve got an idea and some wherewithal, some grit and a never quit attitude – you can do it. (45:09)
• Favorite podcast moments of 2024. (Starts at 47:11)
• There’s a Navy SEAL Museum opening up in San Diego soon. (49:09)
• We’ve gone to Rome a lot a seen the coliseum, but I’ve heard of them filling it up with water. (52:04)

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Holding the Reins of Resilience – Michael Hall's Mission to Help Warriors Heal

In this powerful episode, Marcus and Melanie meet with Michael Hall, a retired U.S. Navy SEAL from BUD/S Class 267 and the founder of Hold the Reins, a groundbreaking non-profit organization dedicated to equine-assisted wellness and coaching for special warfare operators.

Michael shares his journey from the battlefield to the barn, explaining how his deep love of horses and his firsthand experience with the challenges of military life led him to create Hold the Reins. This program provides early intervention tools to help Navy SEALs, SWCC, and EOD teams develop self-awareness, emotional regulation, communication skills, and goal achievement—all through the incredible connection between humans and horses.

With the unique pressures that come with a career in special operations, divorce and suicide rates remain devastatingly high among service members. Michael recognized this crisis and made it his mission to provide a lifeline—a safe space where warriors can regain control, reconnect, and find healing.

Now, as he transitions into running Hold the Reins full-time as CEO and counselor, he's determined to give back to the community that shaped him.

Tune in to hear Michael's inspiring story, the science behind equine therapy, and how his program is changing lives one ride at a time.

In This Episode You Will Hear:
• [My dad] asked me blankly one day, “What do you want to do?” It was just one of those things where I just spit out the first thing that my heart said, “I want to be a SEAL.” (8:43)
• The Air Force recruiter looked at me, “Well, whatcha been up to since you graduated high school?” I didn’t hold anything back. I just gave him anything. He was like, “There's no room for you in our Air Force.” (9:31)
• [I saw] this recruiting commercial come on. Helicopters come over the horizon. It said, “We’ll take you from high school to flight school.” So, I get in my truck and drove 150 miles to the recruiting office and joined the Navy. (15:41)
• That why we started this thing, to help guys hit the pressure relief valve. (17:45)
• The world’s too slow. We’re moving too fast on the inside, and we start trying to numb that down, and we do it in unproductive ways.
• Our organization is called Hold the Reigns. We use horsemanship to teach guys how to emotionally regulate the present moment focus, and allow them to narrate their own story to us. (19:08)
• Were the only organization, possibly in the nation that I know of, that’s run by frogmen. (19:28)
• I feel like God has created in me the way, or persona that’s gonna be able to help guys. (23:23)
• You can’t team guy your way around horses. (26:24)
• I’ve dealt with a lot of really dangerous horses and people made them that way. (43:18)
• That's kind of a surprise thing we do – we put them in a really vulnerable situation, so you’re no longer the hairy-chested, bullet-proof frogman. You’re now just a little worried about your safety. (54:14)
• A horse is completely honest. They do not know how to lie. (59:40)

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In the Trenches: The Journey of Robert Gallery from College Star to NFL Standout

Join Marcus and Melanie as they welcome Robert Gallery, former NFL offensive lineman, College Football Hall of Famer, and one of the most celebrated athletes to come out of the University of Iowa.
Robert’s football journey is nothing short of extraordinary. Starting as a tight end at Iowa, he transitioned to offensive tackle, paving the way for a stellar collegiate career. A two-time First-Team All-Big Ten selection, Robert was named Big Ten Offensive Lineman of the Year in 2003 and capped off his senior year with unanimous All-American honors and the prestigious Outland Trophy. His excellence extended off the field, earning him three Academic All-Big Ten awards.
In recognition of his remarkable contributions to the sport, Robert has been honored with multiple accolades:

• College Football Hall of Fame: Inducted in 2023 at the 65th NFF Annual Awards Dinner.
• University of Iowa Athletics Hall of Fame: Inducted in 2017.
• Kinnick Wall of Honor: Added to Iowa’s America Needs Farmers Wall of Honor in 2015.

Drafted second overall by the Oakland Raiders in the 2004 NFL Draft, Robert embarked on an eight-season career in the NFL, playing for the Raiders and Seattle Seahawks. Over 104 games, he showcased his grit and leadership, earning the Ed Block Courage Award in 2010 and cementing his place as a force on the offensive line.
In this episode, Robert reflects on his incredible football career, the transformation of Iowa’s football program, and his experiences in the NFL. But the conversation goes deeper, exploring his journey after football and the life-changing healing he found through ibogaine.
For both Marcus and Robert, ibogaine offered a second chance—a path to healing they’re now sharing to inspire and support others who may feel lost or stuck. These raw, personal stories are a testament to resilience and the universal power of hope.
Tune in for an inspiring episode filled with life lessons, healing journeys, and a reminder that no matter the challenge, transformation is always possible.

In This Episode You Will Hear:
• My parents were very much like: “You do sports, or you work on the farm.” (9:55)
• Once my siblings started earning scholarships, and I saw what it did for them, I was like “I wanna do that.” (11:17)
• [The coaching staff] were just guys that wanted to get the best out of you. They were there to make you better. (14:25)
• [Melanie] Q: What do you think builds a great team?  A: I think it’s the people and the culture. (15:55)
• It’s that Midwest mentality. Work ethic, no show boating. It’s about being the best you can be, doing it the right way, and being good people. (17:02)
• I knew I needed my buddies next to me on the offensive line. For me to be great, I needed them to be great. (17:57)
• I kept working and working. And by the end of my college career, I was the best there was in the country. (25:34)
• Continue to work at wat you do to be a better all-around athlete. (25:39)
• I love how I was raised. My parents still married after 50 years. (26:57)
• I never had a sporting event that I ever remember from as young as I was in grade school, that one of my parents was not there. (38:25)
•  I worked so hard and sweated so much that you gotta go to the bathroom. One day I had to go to the bathroom real bad and the game was about to start. The only thing I could do was sit here and go. Go in your pants. I did it every game after that. (49:48)
• I got to where now I’m taking pain killers to get to practice. Now I’m asking my linemen what do we do? I’m dizzy. I’m not myself. (55:23)
• As time went on, things started to spiral: alcohol abuse. (63:08)
• I got a brain scan. That’s when they put up a picture of a healthy brain against a picture of my brain. It was shocking. (65:31)
• I started a journey of doing everything I could in modern medicine. (69:06)
• I took the invitation to take an Ibogaine treatment. (74:48)
• The treatment saved my life. I can out of it a different person. (76:30)

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 Leading the Houston Texans: A Conversation with Cal and Hannah McNair
In this week’s Team Never Quit episode, Marcus and Melanie sit down with Cal and Hannah McNair, the dynamic duo behind the Houston Texans. Cal McNair, the Chair and Chief Executive Officer of the Houston Texans, has been at the helm of the team since 2018, guiding them through remarkable achievements, including a 10-7 record in the 2023 season under a rookie head coach and quarterback. Under his leadership, the Texans secured their seventh division title and unveiled new fan-inspired uniforms in 2024.
McNair attended The University of Texas at Austin, where he was a four-year member of the Longhorns' football team. He earned a master's degree in business administration from the Rice University Jesse H. Jones Graduate School of Management.
Cal shares his journey from his early career at Cogen Technologies to becoming the principal owner of the Texans in 2024. He discusses his vision for the team, the importance of community involvement, and the Texans Foundation's impact on Houston, which has raised over $48 million since its inception.
Hannah McNair, a proud native Houstonian and University of Houston alum, joins the conversation to talk about their shared passion for philanthropy and, of course, the Houston Texans. With a background in business from the University of Houston and Rice University, Hannah has been deeply involved in numerous charities across the city, from the YMCA to the Houston Food Bank. She reflects on the couple’s commitment to giving back, balancing life as parents of seven, and supporting the community that has given them so much.

In This Episode You Will Hear:
• [Cal] What I really enjoy is going into someone else’s house, and beating them, and then seeing our fans, surrounded by the other team’s colors, and they’re wearing our colors in the stands , and when we win those games is my favorite [moment]. (3:27)
• [Cal] We have fans that have had seats next to each other that didn’t know each other, but because they came to the game and sat next to each other, they became friends. (4:29)
• [Cal played football at] The University of Texas. (8:07)
• [Cal] The team was [originally] awarded to Los Angeles, but it had a deadline and they didn’t meet it. (9:07)
• [Hannah] The interesting thing about twins is that you have had somebody who’s had your back your entire life. (26:50)
• [Hannah] I think team sports is one of the most important educational things you can teach kids. (34:53)
• [Hannah] [In baseball] You fail most of the time. If you have an error, are you gonna just stop the game? Are you gonna run to your parents? Or are you gonna learn from it, and go to the next play. You can’t just quick. (34:59)
• [Hannah] If you can learn how to be part of a team and put your personal feelings aside for the greater good of the team, I think that’s a valuable lesson, especially with youth today. (35:45)
• [Hannah] With anything in the public eye, you try to use those [harassment in the stands] to create a better person in them, so that they’re ready for whatever comes their way, (40:13)
• [Hannah] You have to have God as your foundation. If you don’t have that to turn to, you’re lost already. (40:38)
• [Hannah] You cannot go wrong by doing what’s right. (45:48)
• [Marcus] Q: What’s the best piece of advice or wisdom you’ve got from somebody?
[Cal] A: Never Quit. (47:52)
• [Hannah] [CJ Stroud] is the CEO on the field. (48:32)

A Journey of Redemption: Branden Terrell's Path to Accountability and Transformation

In this week’s raw and powerful episode, Marcus and Melanie meet with Branden Terrell, a man whose life has been defined by both profound tragedy and transformation. Branden's journey began with a devastating crime—the voluntary manslaughter of his friend, Ryan Roth, in 2012. After serving over a decade in prison, Branden is now committed to rebuilding his life and advocating for restorative justice, but his path to redemption is far from simple.
Branden gets real about the night he took Ryan's life—a night marked by a dangerous mix of drugs, alcohol, and emotional turmoil. He shares how this tragedy has shaped his current mission to support victims' families, advocate for survivors, and push for more effective rehabilitation programs for incarcerated individuals.
Branden takes full responsibility for his actions, acknowledging the pain and devastation caused to Ryan's family and the community. He also discusses the impact of substance abuse on his behavior that night, but emphasizes that no excuse can absolve him of his actions.
Throughout the episode, Branden shares his struggles, regrets, and efforts to make amends for the harm he caused. His commitment to transformation is clear, but he acknowledges that healing, for both himself and the Roth family, is a long and complex journey.
This episode is not just about Branden's personal redemption; it's about understanding the broader impact of crime, the importance of accountability, and the possibilities for growth and healing within the justice system.

In This Episode You Will Hear:
• I’ve seen a lot of poverty and the impact of drugs. My hopes and dreams was to play professional football or baseball. (12:30)
• By the time I was expelled in my junior year after football season, I had been to 17 different schools. (12:46)
• I knew my family loved me, but the only place I had that real validation was playing sports. (13:02)
• I started hanging around all the wrong people, all the wrong places, seeking validation, wanting to be accepted, covered myself with tattoos. (15:29)
• The only time I’ve ever had handcuffs on me was when I was under the influence of alcohol. (18:08)
• By the time I was 18, I was living a full-on criminal lifestyle. (19:35)
• My mom – even if I’m doing something wrong, she’s gonna have my back. (25:49)
• All the folks I was running with [would say] “You’re the biggest liability when you start drinking.” (34:54)
• We went out to dinner with some of the folks that were trimming. I remember sitting at the table, waitress is taking orders and everybody’s ordering drinks, and I’m having this internal conversation with myself: “Brandon don’t do it. You don’t need to drink.” They get to me: “What the heck, 1 drink ain’t gonna kill nobody. I ordered a drink. Within hours after that, I was arrested for murder. (38:10)
• Me and Ryan had some words. He punched me and then from there, I went into a blackout. I grabbed a knife and ended up taking his life. (39:01)
• When I was drinking and I got into something, I’d just go into a rage.(47:45)
• I had this vision of “I’m gonna use this to help people be sober one day. I’m gonna help people live their best life through sobriety.” (53:59)
• I didn’t know that was okay, as a man, to talk about feelings. (55:32)
• There’s a lot of strong guys in prison, but there’s a lot of weak individuals too. (57:55)
• I was a closet cowardly christian. (75:48)
• So I get on my knees, and promised God never to use alcohol again.(80:24)
• That’s what life’s all about. Finding the God-given strength, ability and purpose and using it to help people. (91:11)
• I knew I had a problem with alcohol, but I was afraid to ask for help. (119:45)

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Warrior of God: The Spiritual Battle with Dom Raso

This week’s Team Never Quit guest is Dom Raso, a former Navy SEAL Team Six operator who is renowned for his elite military service and deeply inspiring journey of faith and personal transformation. Dom’s name is synonymous with the highest levels of military excellence, but beyond his unparalleled contributions to the U.S. military, his story is one of profound spiritual resilience, unwavering commitment to family, and a fierce devotion to spreading the Gospel.

Dom served with distinction as part of Navy SEAL Team Six, a unit known for its elite status and high-risk operations. Throughout his career, he contributed to the development of military techniques that are still in use today. But in this episode, Dom reveals the deeper side of his journey—how he has navigated grief, loss, and intense physical and spiritual battles while remaining anchored in his faith.

Now a devoted Catholic, husband, father of five, and entrepreneur, Dom is leveraging his platform to lead others into deeper encounters with God. With an Instagram following of over 175,000 people, he is a bold evangelist, sharing scriptural reflections, his devotion to the Rosary, and his love for the Eucharist. As the founder of Crush Everything, a company focused on equipping individuals to defend themselves and their loved ones, Dom embodies the philosophy that the physical and spiritual are intertwined in the life of a warrior.

In this conversation, Dom reflects on his experiences as a Navy SEAL, the power of prayer, and the concept of spiritual warfare. He shares how the Rosary, a tool he has cherished since his military days, has become his most powerful weapon. Dom also explores the importance of living a disciplined life, staying close to the Lord, and using one’s unique gifts to evangelize and spread virtue in the culture.

In This Episode You Will Hear:
• Most people have enough children around them where really you could spend the majority of your time teaching them. (17:57)
• If we’re not taking those moments we had as a kid and really expounding on them and making them better for our children, we’re missing a key point in the gifts we can give them.(19:34)
• I had a lot of people speaking very positively [to me]. (21:42)
• At about 8 or 9, I would say that was a sure sign of like:”That’s it. Now I know what I’m doing.” (23:07)
• The Holy Spirit just put it on my heart and said: That’s the path.” (23:21)
• I believe God has a deep purpose for everybody. (25:10)
• Life is made up of choices.(25:22)
• I love my father. I love my mother - to death. They knew what was right, but they didn’t live it out themselves. (29:07)
• What I was missing was a guy like us, or man – a real man, that grabbed me on the shoulders and said “Son, you’re not walking on the right path.”(30:43)
• I always felt the closeness of God in my life, whether I was on an operation, or going through a challenging time in in my life. You’re trying to make sense of what’s going on. But you know that God’s presence is with you. (33:27)
• I meet a lot of team guys who either: A-they know they really need God, or they think that they are God.(34:06)
• We’re going to go through challenging moments in our lives. We’re gonna get our butt kicked. It’s though those challenges that form us and forge us to have the faith we have today. (36:27)
• There’s no way I’d be the man I am today without God’s help. (38:26)
• Everybody has opportunities to have God work in their life. (39:22)
• One of my major call to actions to other men is” Do you want to into the fight and be part of the solution, or are you just gonna point your finger at the bad and never do anything about it?”
• Everybody listening: We’re all stewarding something. (60:12)
• We’re really to at the physical part, we’re really goo at the mindset part. But it’s the Spirit that we’re lacking. (85:40)

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In the Line of Duty: Rodney Magallan’s Legacy in Protective Operations

In this week’s Team Never Quit episode, Marcus and Melanie welcome Rodney Magallan, a distinguished expert in protective operations and personal security with an unparalleled career spanning over 35 years. From his early days as a Navy SEAL to his pivotal roles with the U.S. Marshals, CIA, and corporate executive protection, Rodney has operated in some of the world’s most challenging environments.
Join us as Rodney shares his journey through completing BUDS (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL) training, his deployments with SEAL Team 4 and later SEAL Team 6, where he became a leader in cutting-edge maritime capabilities, transitioning into federal law enforcement as a U.S. Marshal and training protective agents with the CIA's Global Response Staff. Leading executive protection teams in both corporate and private sectors. Commanding special operations teams in high-stakes, non-permissive environments. 
Rodney’s extensive accolades include the Defense Meritorious Service Medal, multiple Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals, and the CIA’s Exceptional Performance Award. Beyond his operational expertise, he’s a certified firearms instructor, a martial arts apprentice, and a mentor to the next generation of security professionals. Rodney brings to the table leadership lessons from a career built on discipline, adaptability, and service.
Tune in for a riveting conversation with one of the most seasoned experts in the field of personal security and protective operations. Whether you’re in the industry or simply intrigued by high-stakes security, this episode is a must-listen.

In This Episode You Will Hear:
• People don’t believe me when I tell them that the first time that live bullets were coming my way – it was uneventful. (6:27)
• When I went to Jumpmaster school, it was easy because 18 Delta just drove that process into me. (11;07)
• In 2000, we found out that my mother was one of 17 heirs to 160,000 acres of land and gold. (13:40)
• I thought being on the Teams and running hard was what I was supposed to do. I realize now that family matters. (16:49)
• We’re all gonna do a swim test to qualify for SEALS or diver. Hey, we’re gonna do the sidestroke. And I’m like “What’s the sidestroke?” I’d never even heard of the sidestroke. (22:34)
• I don’t see myself as cool. I just see it as something I did. Every time I do something else, I’m not gonna quit. If I commit to it, I’m gonna do it to the best of my ability. (28:22)
• You matter, and you can do it. You choose if you’re gonna let them beat you down, or motivate you. You can do it. (32:17)
• No one could hurt me more than my mom. (32:26)
• I actually lied and said I spoke Spanish. That’s how I got to Team 4. (36:19)
• AIDS was huge back in the 80s and 90s. AIDS is gonna kill you. You couldn’t do mouth-to-mouth unless you had a pocket mask. (43:44)
• [Melanie] Q: Your total service time is what?  A: 35 ½ years. (65:44)
• II you go make and look at all the decisions I made, all but one, to go to the CIA, that was the only one where “I gotta get back to war. My brothers are there. “All the rest of ‘em were, “I wanted to provide. I wanted to be a good husband. I want to be a good dad. (81:05)
• When I interviewed with Walmart, there’s five of ‘em sitting there, and they’re asking me questions. And they’re like “What are your goals here at Walmart?” And I’m like “Well, I want to be a soccer dad.” And they started laughing. (81:22)
• [Marcus] Some guys have to switch into the life. We’re always in it. (91:34)
• You don’t have to be like me. Just be the best at what you say you are. (94:38)
• Don’t take a space that someone else wants, if you have no intentions on going and doing what you took the oath to do. (94:51)
• [Some guys get it the easy way, just living they get it. Some of us have to go out and bleed for it. (95:21)

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