Welcome to another can't-miss episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan explores a rapidly evolving strategy that has the potential to shake up the way agencies attract leads and position themselves as go-to experts. Joining Drew McLellan is returning guest Tom Schwab of Interview Valet, who brings groundbreaking insights on how artificial intelligence (AI) tools are influencing audience discovery and client acquisition.

In this episode, Tom Schwab pulls back the curtain on how his team has leveraged AI tools like ChatGPT, Claude, and Perplexity to turn them into top referral sources for his business and their clients. He explains the shift he's seen in lead quality, why AI-driven traffic outperforms traditional SEO, and how podcasts—especially guest appearances on third-party platforms—are being indexed as trusted resources by these bots. If you've ever wondered how to ensure your agency shows up as a credible source when prospects turn to AI for recommendations, you'll find tons of applicable guidance here.

Drew McLellan and Tom Schwab also dig into tactical approaches, including how to diversify your podcast and content topics, strengthen your brand's point of view, and make strategic use of storytelling to engage both traditional listeners and AI "audiences." You'll discover tips on optimizing your show notes, leveraging tools like SparkToro to understand audience behaviors, and measuring the true impact of your podcast outreach—ahead of the curve in our search-evolving landscape.

Whether you're a podcast host, a guest on other people's shows, or simply interested in how AI is changing the marketing game, this episode is packed with actionable takeaways for agencies of all sizes. Tune in to hear how you can future-proof your thought leadership strategy and get found by the right prospects, right when they're searching for your expertise.

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • Leveraging AI as a modern referral source for agencies
  • Optimizing podcast and long-form content for AI indexing
  • The growing importance of context, point of view, and clarity in content
  • Varying topics and voices to increase authority and reach with AI and audiences
  • Using tools like SparkToro to identify where your ideal audience is searching
  • Repurposing interviews and resources for maximum impact across channels
  • Embracing transparency and specificity to attract high-quality, pre-qualified leads

Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes brand strategist and agency veteran Ulli Appelbaum to dive deep into the science of brand associations—a topic that's often referenced but rarely explored with the rigor it deserves. If you've ever struggled to quantify the value of your agency's or your client's brand, this episode will provide you with the data-backed frameworks and practical wisdom you've been searching for.

Drawing on decades of experience across leading global agencies and his own consultancy, Ulli Appelbaum shares key insights from his new book, "The Science of Brand Associations: When Minds Win Markets." Together, he and Drew McLellan break down what brand associations really are, why they matter for long-term growth, and how emotional resonance and consistency are critical in embedding brands into consumer memory. Whether you're building brands for clients or shaping the reputation of your own agency, Ulli Appelbaum's science-based approach gives you the tools to move beyond gut instinct towards strategies that drive measurable results.

The episode covers actionable strategies for identifying and cultivating the right brand associations, crafting memorable brand assets, and leveraging the power of emotional storytelling—even in B2B environments. You'll also learn how to use frameworks and scorecards to focus your branding efforts on what really matters, ensuring your brand stands out distinctly against competitors. Plus, the discussion explores why brands with strong association networks rebound faster from economic downturns and command higher price premiums.

Don't miss this episode if you're ready to combine creativity and data in a way that elevates your agency's brand work—and your own brand presence—above the noise. By the end, you'll walk away with practical tools to guide both client conversations and your agency's growth, grounded in proven science rather than simple opinion.

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • The science behind brand associations and why they matter
  • Data-backed reasons brand associations drive growth and profitability
  • How emotional impact and memory structure strengthen brands
  • The power of consistency and distinctiveness in brand assets
  • Using frameworks and scorecards to build effective brands
  • The surprising resurgence and importance of brand characters
  • Practical tools agencies can use to differentiate themselves and their clients

Welcome to another engaging episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan turns the spotlight inward to tackle a challenge many agency owners face but rarely confront: the chaos we unintentionally create within our own shops. Joined by productivity expert and business coach Amber De La Garza, this episode dives deep into the subtle ways agency leaders can become the source of their business's dysfunction—and, most importantly, how they can flip the script to become the calming force their teams need.

Amber De La Garza brings years of hands-on coaching across diverse service industries, helping business owners recognize how their habits, decisions, and leadership styles ripple throughout their organizations. Together, she and Drew McLellan explore common pitfalls like inconsistent follow-through, the lure of firefighting, and the temptation to solve every problem yourself. They shed light on how these behaviors not only breed chaos but also undermine team empowerment and erode trust.

Throughout their conversation, you'll hear actionable strategies for spotting and addressing the habits and leadership gaps that fuel ongoing fires. Amber De La Garza shares practical tools—from tracking your time (spoiler: you're spending it differently than you think!) to identifying recurring symptoms in your business and asking the all-important question: "How am I responsible for this?" The episode also encourages agency leaders to carve out sacred time for big-picture thinking and to support their teams in becoming more self-sufficient problem solvers.

Don't miss this episode if you're ready to break the cycle of crisis mode, build a steadier agency environment, and reclaim the freedom and satisfaction that inspired you to start your business in the first place. By the end, you'll walk away with a renewed sense of ownership—not just over your agency's success, but over the culture and calm you create every day.

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • Recognizing your role in creating agency chaos
  • Why consistency from leaders sets the tone for the team
  • Strategies to empower employees to solve their own problems
  • The critical importance of owners following their own systems
  • Turning firefighting into long-term solutions
  • How tracking time reveals hidden patterns and priorities
  • Building agency culture through intentional, focused change

Welcome to a transformative solo episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan invites listeners to reframe how they view uncertainty, chaos, and change in the agency world. Drawing from both scientific research and personal stories—including a gripping childhood encounter with real fear—Drew McLellan explores why agencies feel paralyzed by unpredictability, and more importantly, how leaders can move beyond fear to thrive in today's rapidly shifting landscape.

Listeners will discover why uncertainty is baked into agency life, why our brains crave control, and why periods of upheaval—from economic turmoil and technological breakthroughs to social unrest—can actually be seen as fertile ground for growth and innovation. Drew McLellan champions the concept of a "perpetual renaissance," encouraging agency leaders to harness rather than resist continual change and to build their businesses on adaptability, creativity, and community.

Throughout the episode, Drew McLellan underscores the power of belonging and reciprocal support, likening the AMI community to a network of redwoods—each agency strengthened by connection with others. He shares actionable advice on showing up as both a teacher and a student in industry salons, generously exchanging knowledge and resources so everyone thrives amid uncertainty. Insights from neuroscience, evolutionary biology, and agency research come together with practical wisdom to reveal how leading through chaos isn't about control, but about learning to ride the storm—together.

Don't miss this deeply encouraging and practical episode, especially if you're looking for ways to put fear aside and become the agency clients seek out for guidance and innovation. By embracing the value of community and the inevitability of change, you'll gain a new perspective on how to master—and even enjoy—the wild ride ahead. Join the conversation, connect with the AMI salon, and help shape the future of your agency in 2026 and beyond.

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

• • Embracing uncertainty as a constant in agency life
  • Reframing fear of change into excitement for opportunity
  • The power of community and collaboration for agency leaders
  • Leveraging perpetual innovation and renaissance as a competitive edge
  • The necessity of group learning and support to overcome decision paralysis
  • Leading clients confidently through chaos and continual change
  • Adopting a "giver's gain" mindset to strengthen agency networks and growth

Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan is joined by returning guest Nicole Mahoney, an accomplished agency owner and thought leader renowned for her innovative work in collaboration within the travel and tourism space. Drawing on her 15 years of industry expertise, Nicole shares how strategic partnerships have propelled her agency to new heights—even during challenging times like the pandemic.

Together, Drew McLellan and Nicole Mahoney dig deep into the multifaceted nature of agency collaboration, both with competitors and complementary businesses. Nicole reveals insights from her research, podcast, and her newly released book, breaking down the different types of collaborators—the promoters, doubters, and protectors—and why understanding these archetypes is key to building mutually beneficial relationships. They also explore how agencies can be more intentional with partnerships to drive growth, resilience, and innovation.

Expect actionable frameworks, real case studies of cross-agency teamwork, and candid stories about what works (and what doesn't) when it comes to navigating collaborations—from RFP responses to co-hosting major events. Nicole introduces her proven "3C framework" for successful partnerships and shares how agencies can assess and operationalize collaboration as part of their strategic planning, especially heading into 2026.

If you're rethinking how to strengthen your agency's network, improve client offerings, or simply want to learn from real-world examples of effective coopetition, this episode is packed with takeaways. Don't miss this opportunity to hear fresh perspectives on how working together not only benefits your agency, but helps build a stronger, more connected industry.

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • Building agency growth and resiliency through strategic collaboration
  • Understanding the three types of collaborators: promoters, doubters, and protectors
  • Operationalizing collaboration as an intentional business strategy
  • Keys to effective partnerships: communication, commonality, and commitment
  • Creating mutually beneficial relationships even with competitors (coopetition)
  • Leveraging collaborations to diversify offerings and better serve clients
  • Using partnerships to overcome resource gaps and win larger opportunities

Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan sits down with Robin Bonn, agency veteran and founder of Codefinery, for a candid conversation that tackles one of the agency world's biggest challenges: true differentiation. Drawing on over two decades of industry experience and insights from his new book, Market of One, Robin unpacks why even the most creative agencies struggle to set themselves apart and how owners can reimagine their businesses for lasting competitive advantage.

Drew and Robin delve deep into the heart of agency positioning, debunking the myths and tired tropes that so many firms rely on to claim they're "different." From generic claims about people and creativity to the pitfalls of "category norms," Robin shares why most agencies' attempts at standing out fall flat—and what it really means to create a business model that's as unique as a fingerprint. Listeners will hear practical advice for moving beyond superficial branding tactics and start building what Robin calls a "market of one"—where your agency's true value is clear, tangible, and uncopyable.

The episode also explores the often-overlooked role of pricing as a key differentiator, the pervasive fear and herd mentality that keep agencies stuck, and the transformative impact of AI on agency business models. Robin challenges listeners to rethink everything from service offerings to client fit—encouraging leaders to embrace strategy, redefine success beyond just growth, and make bold choices that align with both financial health and personal fulfillment.

Tune in if you're ready to move past the sea of sameness and face the future with optimism and intention. By the end of the episode, you'll walk away with actionable questions, a fresh strategic lens, and the inspiration to reshape not just what your agency does, but how—and why—you do it.

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • Why true agency differentiation is so difficult—and why most agencies still struggle with it
  • Common pitfalls that lead agencies into the "sea of sameness"
  • Distinguishing between superficial distinctiveness and authentic, business-model-driven differentiation
  • The critical role of clear positioning and deep strategy in agency growth
  • How fear, herd mentality, and legacy habits hold agencies back from standing out
  • The power of pricing as an underutilized differentiator
  • Embracing change, enjoying the business, and defining what success means for your agency

Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes renowned author, speaker, and client experience expert Neen James for a thought-provoking discussion that will challenge agency leaders to rethink how they deliver value. Together, they explore the concept of "luxury" in the context of client service and agency culture—not just as something exclusive or material, but as a mindset centered on attention, connection, and making others feel truly seen and valued.

Neen shares the findings from her latest book and a groundbreaking research study that uncovers four distinct "luxury mindsets." She explains how every agency, regardless of size or specialty, can elevate their client experience by understanding these mindsets and tailoring interactions to meet (and exceed) unique client expectations. Through vivid examples drawn from luxury brands and her own experiences consulting for CEOs, Neen demonstrates how agencies can create a sense of belonging and reward for their clients, making every client touchpoint feel like a delightful, memorable experience.

Drew and Neen also dive into practical strategies for agency owners to foster a culture of "systematized thoughtfulness." From reimagining yourself and your team as concierges rather than order-takers, to implementing routines that ensure consistent, meaningful outreach to clients and internal teams, Neen offers actionable advice for embedding luxury-level attention into daily operations. They also discuss the significance of empowering team members, the importance of internal culture in reflecting client experience, and creative ways to find "champagne moments" in both everyday interactions and brand touchpoints.

If you're ready to stand out in a crowded marketplace, retain happier clients and employees, and transform ordinary agency processes into extraordinary experiences, this episode is not to be missed. By the end, you'll have fresh inspiration and tangible tactics to make your agency a place where both clients and team members feel genuinely valued—every single day.

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • Rethinking "luxury" as an elevated client experience
  • The four luxury mindsets and how they influence agency relationships
  • Why attention and human connection are key differentiators for agencies
  • The role of personalization, customization, and anticipation in delivering exceptional service
  • The importance of treating employees as "internal clients" to empower them to delight external clients
  • Turning everyday moments into memorable "champagne moments"
  • Systematizing thoughtfulness as a business development strategy

Welcome to a crucial episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan is joined once again by Craig Cody, a seasoned CPA and tax advisor renowned for his expertise in agency financial management. Drew and Craig jump straight into a timely and essential topic for every agency owner—the recent changes to 401k regulations that could have significant implications for your agency's compliance, retirement planning, and year-end financial strategy.

Craig breaks down the new federal requirements affecting catch-up contributions to 401ks for anyone earning over $145,000, making the conversation immediately relevant for agency leaders and employees in higher income brackets. Together, Drew and Craig outline the steps agencies must take before the end of 2025 to avoid unpleasant surprises and penalties in 2026, including the need to ensure Roth provisions are set up within existing 401k plans and the importance of proactive compliance with auto-enrollment rules. The pair go beyond the headline changes, discussing how these adjustments affect not just owners, but also employees, and the risks agencies run if these details get overlooked.

Listeners will also learn about valuable tax credits available for agencies that recently launched a 401k plan, as well as common tax strategies and deductions that many agency owners miss. Craig shares advice on how to make the most of tax planning meetings, the importance of documenting deductions, and how shifting from a simple IRA to a 401k can yield significant financial and retirement benefits for both owners and staff.

Don't let year-end compliance slip through the cracks—this episode is packed with actionable insights you need to update your retirement plans, review your tax strategies, and make informed decisions before another fiscal year closes. If you want to keep more of the money you make, provide competitive benefits, and avoid costly mistakes, you won't want to miss Craig's expert guidance. Tune in now and start building a better, more financially resilient agency.

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • Critical 401k regulation changes agency owners must address
  • How new Roth contribution requirements affect high-earning employees
  • Strategies to ensure compliance and avoid costly IRS penalties
  • Why proactive communication with your 401k administrator is essential
  • Opportunities for new tax credits with recently established retirement plans
  • The urgency of year-end planning and regular discussions with your tax advisor
  • Maximizing tax-saving strategies for agency owners and their families

Welcome to a new solo cast episode of Build a Better Agency! Host Drew McLellan is flying solo for episode 525, bringing decades of agency expertise to help owners prepare their businesses for a fast-changing marketplace. If the calendar is winding down and you're looking ahead to 2026, this episode is packed with actionable insights designed specifically for agency leadership.

Drew kicks off with an overview of critical housekeeping—announcing the monthly workshop giveaway winner and expressing gratitude to long-time sponsor White Label IQ. The heart of this episode, though, is a deep dive into the unique responsibilities agency owners must own in these last 60 days of 2025. Rather than swamping yourself with creative or client-service tasks, Drew urges you to refocus on the essential leadership duties that no one else in your company has the authority or experience to fulfill.

Listeners will hear Drew break down the owner's role into five core areas: driving new business, articulating agency vision and values, managing financial health, nurturing both people and clients, and building an empowered leadership team. He shares clear strategies for refining your agency's differentiation, creating a new business pipeline, career-pathing for staff, and cultivating "client love" from the top down. If you're struggling with being too hands-on or feeling disconnected from your agency's strategic path, Drew offers practical ideas and downloadable tools to get you back on track.

Don't miss this episode if you want to kick off 2026 in the strongest possible position. With guidance on setting vision, connecting with your team and clients, and creating a culture where everyone knows the agency's direction, Drew's solo cast is a masterclass in leadership focus—and a reminder that your job as agency owner is irreplaceable. Tune in and walk away ready to lead with clarity, confidence, and purpose.

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

• • Defining mission, vision, and values as a leadership priority
  • How agency owners shape and communicate their agency's direction
  • Why new business growth requires both existing and new clients
  • The critical role of agency specialization and niche expertise
  • Building a culture of employee growth, career pathing, and retention
  • Strengthening client relationships beyond project work
  • Creating a leadership team to handle agency fires and empower growth

Welcome to another thought-provoking episode of Build a Better Agency! This week, host Drew McLellan welcomes Ben Gaddis—former agency owner, seasoned operator, and now private equity investor—to give you an insider's view of what makes an agency truly valuable in today's changing landscape. Drawing on his unique journey from building and selling his own highly successful agency to investing in others, Ben shares a holistic, 360-degree perspective on agency growth, acquisition, and evolving business models.

In their honest discussion, Drew and Ben explore how the definition of agency "success" has shifted from hiring more staff to focusing on lean, highly efficient delivery and organic account growth. Ben discusses the increasing importance of productization, technology, and leveraging global resources, while still maintaining creativity and strategic value. You'll learn why being intentionally smaller can offer you bigger opportunities, how to balance artisanal creativity with scalable systems, and the dangers of being stuck in the "dangerous middle" of agency offerings.

The conversation also tackles practical strategies for driving organic revenue, such as implementing account growth systems, setting clear client expansion targets, and leveraging tech to empower senior talent. Ben offers a candid investor's perspective on what he looks for in a potential acquisition—including founder vision, unique positioning, and the ability to scale beyond the owner. The episode rounds out with actionable advice on hiring for strategy, pricing for value, and pushing past limiting beliefs that hold many agencies back from real growth.

If you're an agency leader contemplating the future—be it refining your business model, growing more profitably, or exploring eventual exit options—you'll find this episode packed with strategic insights and hard-earned lessons from both sides of the deal. Get ready to rethink how you scale, sell, and position your agency for what's next!

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • The evolving definition of agency value and what buyers are really seeking
  • The impact of technology and AI on agency models and service delivery
  • Choosing between productized "factory" models vs. bespoke creative shops
  • The critical role of organic growth and client retention in increasing agency value
  • Leveraging operating systems and account plans to systematically grow existing accounts
  • How right-sizing and hybrid staffing models can drive profitability
  • The importance of founder vision and clear differentiation for long-term success

Welcome to another insightful episode of Build a Better Agency! In this thought-provoking conversation, host Drew McLellan welcomes acclaimed author, agency veteran, and thought leader Rishad Tobaccowala to the show. Together, they dig into the rapidly evolving nature of work and what it means for agency leaders and teams in the years ahead.

Rishad draws on his decades of agency experience and his latest book, "Rethinking Work," to outline the powerful shifts transforming how, where, and why we work. With unmatched clarity, he breaks down the five key forces—ranging from technology and AI to shifting demographics and the post-COVID mindset—that are redrawing the boundaries between work and life. Rishad also challenges traditional agency norms by explaining why flexibility, purpose, and autonomy are now at the heart of attracting and retaining top talent.

Listeners will come away with fresh ideas for structuring their agency teams, from leveraging fractional and freelance talent to reimagining office space as dynamic hubs for creativity and collaboration. Rishad and Drew also tackle leadership evolution, with candid advice on moving from "boss zones" to genuine zones of influence that inspire trust and independence.

If you're ready to shake off old models and embrace the future with optimism, this episode is a must-listen. By the end, you'll be eager to reimagine your agency's structure, ignite your creativity, and cultivate a workplace where both people and business can thrive in our new era of work.

A big thank you to our podcast's presenting sponsor, White Label IQ. They're an amazing resource for agencies who want to outsource their design, dev, or PPC work at wholesale prices. Check out their special offer (10 free hours!) for podcast listeners here.

What You Will Learn in This Episode:

• • Why work is changing faster than ever—and how agencies can get ahead
  • Shifting from "bosses" to leaders to attract and retain top talent
  • Embracing a flexible workforce: full-time, freelance, fractional, and AI "employees"
  • Redesigning office space to encourage purposeful, in-person collaboration
  • Rethinking organizational structures—moving from rigid hierarchies to "jazz ensemble" models
  • Leveraging AI and technology to boost revenue per employee and agility
  • How agency owners can reimagine their business for resilience and future growth