Today, I’m talking with a very special guest: Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the inventor of the World Wide Web. Tim is a legend in the history of the internet. He created HTML and HTTP. It doesn’t really get more foundational than that — Tim was there at the very very beginning of the modern internet.

He also has a new memoir out called This Is For Everyone: The Unfinished Story of the World Wide Web. So Tim joined the show to talk about the state of the web, as well as his current work at the decentralization startup Inrupt, and, of course, where AI fits into the conversation. 

Links: 

• This Is For Everyone | Macmillan
• The Semantic Web | W3C
• Tim Berners-Lee invented the web, now wants to save it | The New Yorker
• Why I gave the world wide web away for free | The Guardian
• Amazon, Perplexity kick off the great AI web browser fight | The Verge
• Web War III | The Verge
• Google admits the open web is in ‘rapid decline’ | The Verge
• Cloudflare will now block AI crawlers by default | The Verge

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We keep hearing over and over that generative AI is causing massive problems in education, both in K-12 schools and at the college level. Lots of people are worried about students using ChatGPT to cheat on assignments, and that is a problem. But really, the issues go a lot deeper, to the very philosophy of education itself.

We sat down and talked to a lot of teachers — you’ll hear many of their voices throughout this episode — and we kept hearing one cri du coeur again and again: What are we even doing here? What’s the point?

Links: 

• Majority of high school students use gen AI for schoolwork | College Board
• Quarter of teens have used ChatGPT for schoolwork | Pew Research
• Your brain on ChatGPT | MIT Media Lab
• My students think it’s fine to cheat with AI. Maybe they’re on to something. | Vox
• How children understand & learn from conversational AI | McGill University
• ‘File not Found’ | The Verge

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David Risher was on Lyft's board for years, but only stepped in as CEO in 2023, to help turn the company around. He's done pretty well so far, but there are still a lot of open questions for him to face. It's not just competition for riders and drivers Lyft has to deal with; it’s the future of transportation itself, and new AI tools that might take apps like Lyft out of the equation entirely.

Links: 

• Lyft’s first ‘robotaxis’ are live in Atlanta | The Verge
• Tensor robocar will be “Lyft ready” out of the factory | Engadget
• Congrats, Lyft | The Verge
• Lyft’s AI assistant offers drivers advice on how to make money | The Verge
• Lyft gets toehold in Europe with FreeNow acquisition | The Verge
• Lyft co-founders to step down as company struggles | New York Times
• How Silicon Valley enshittified the internet | Decoder

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This is Sarah Jeong, features editor at The Verge. I’m standing in for Nilay for one final Thursday episode here as he settles back into full-time hosting duties. Today, we’ve got a fun one. I’m talking to Cory Doctorow, prolific author, internet activist, and arguably one of the fiercest tech critics writing today.

He has a new book out called Enshittifcation: Why Everything Suddenly Got Worse and What to Do About It. So I sat down with Cory to discuss what enshittification is, why it’s happening, and how we might fight it. 

Links: 

• Enshittification | Macmillan
• Why every website you used to love is getting worse | Vox
• The age of Enshittification | The New Yorker
• Yes, everything online sucks now — but it doesn’t have to | Ars Technica
• The enshittification of garage-door openers reveals vast, deadly rot | Cory Doctorow
• Mark Zuckerberg emails outline plan to neutralize competitors | The Verge
• Google gets to keep Chrome, judge rules in antitrust case | The Verge
• How Amazon wins: by steamrolling rivals and partners | WSJ
• A new web DRM standard has security researchers worried | The Verge
• Netflix, Microsoft & Google just changed how the web works | The Outline

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LexisNexis is one of the most important companies in the entire legal system. For ages it's been where you went to look up case law and do legal research. There isn’t a lawyer today who hasn’t used it — it’s fundamental infrastructure for the legal profession, just like email or a word processor.

But in 2025, apparently nobody can resist the siren call of AI, and LexisNexis is no different. The first word Sean said to describe LexisNexis wasn’t “law” or “data,” it was “AI.” And I had questions, because so far AI has created just as much chaos and slop in the courts as anywhere else.

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

• Errors found in judge’s withdrawn decision stink of AI | The Verge
• Why do lawyers keep using ChatGPT? | The Verge
• Conservative judge says AI could strengthen originalist movement | Reuters
• LexisNexis CEO says it’s ‘a matter of time’ before attorney loses a license | Fortune
• Two companies ruled legal tech for decades. AI is blowing that open | BI
  

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Today’s guests are General Motors CEO Mary Barra and new GM Chief Product Officer Sterling Anderson. There’s a lot of big news the company just announced, including a Google Gemini-powered AI assistant that's coming to new cars and an entirely new hardware and software platform coming to the Escalade IQ in 2028 alongside true Level 3 autonomous driving. 

So I asked Mary about all of that and how she's navigating the current moment, and her company's relationship with the Trump administration. I also got into the details on GM’s platform with Sterling, including its decision to ditch Apple CarPlay on its EVs and what all this looks like in the future as AI voice assistants and more capable autonomy come into the mix.

Read the full transcript on The Verge.  

Links: 

• GM says hands-free, eyes-off driving is coming to Escalade IQ | The Verge
• GM takes a $1.6 billion hit on EVs | ⁠The Verge
• GM software boss on ditching CarPlay | Decoder
• Ford CEO on China, tariffs, and the quest for a $30,000 EV | Decoder
• The EV tax credit is gone — now the hard part begins | Decoder
• GM blocks dealership from installing CarPlay retrofit kits in EVs | The Verge
• Everybody hates GM’s decision to kill Apple CarPlay | The Verge
• GM hires ex-Tesla, Aurora exec as chief product officer | CNBC
• Cruise’s robotaxi service will shut down as GM pulls its funding | The Verge
• Newsom names GM’s Mary Barra as villain in fight with feds | Streetlight CA

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Hey everyone, it’s Nilay. I’m back from parental leave, and I’m really excited to jump back into Decoder. Today’s episode is a special one: I’m talking to Zocdoc CEO Oliver Kharraz, and we chatted live on stage at the TechFutures conference in New York City. 

You’re almost certainly familiar with ZocDoc — it’s a platform that helps people find and book appointments with doctors. It’s a classic of the early app economy. The big difference is that Zocdoc plugs into the U.S. healthcare system, which is of course a giant mess, and that means Zocdoc has a big moat. So we talked about competition, navigating the US healthcare system, and, of course, what AI is doing to medicine. 

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

• "Superhuman" AI could transform medicine, Zocdoc CEO says | Axios
• How AI is changing your doctors appointments | Fast Company
• This Strategy ‘Nearly Killed’ Zocdoc. | Inc.
• Zocdoc Turns 18 | Oliver Kharraz / LinkedIn
• Meet Zo, the AI Phone Assistant for healthcare | Zocdoc

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This is Jake Kastrenakes, executive editor at The Verge. I’m filling in for Nilay here while he settles back into full-time hosting duties. We’ve got a very good episode for you today. My guest is Verge transportation editor Andy Hawkins, and we’re talking about the federal EV tax credit. 

The tax credit expired at the end of September, and there are a lot of questions about what happens to the auto industry after its demise. This is a really hard, complicated set of problems, with a lot of moving parts, so I was really excited to have Andy on the show to break down all of these components and give us a clearer picture about what’s coming next. 

Links: 

• The EV tax credit is dead — here’s what happens next | The Verge
• GM takes a $1.6 billion hit on EVs | The Verge
• Ford CEO Jim Farley on China, tariffs, and affordable EV | The Verge
• Ford lost $5 billion on EVs in 2024, teases new models | The Verge
• EV makers fill tax-credit void with costly discounts | Automotive News
• So much for Ford and GM’s scheme to extend the EV tax credit | The Verge
• Stellantis replaces EV tax credit with its own discount | Automotive News
• Tesla sales picking up thanks to expiring tax credit | The Verge
• California Reverses Pledge To Revive EV Tax Credit | SF Chronicle
• Global EV sales growth slows to 15% in August, research firm says | Reuters

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This is Hayden Field, senior AI reporter at The Verge and your Thursday episode guest host. It’s been a very big news week in AI, and a lot of it had to do with OpenAI, its DevDay in San Francisco this week, and the viral explosion of AI-generated video thanks to the company’s new Sora app. 

So I brought in Kanjun Qiu, CEO of AI startup Imbue and a close watcher of the industry, to break down what’s really happening, why it’s happening, and the societal implications of it all.

Links:

• All of the updates from OpenAI DevDay 2025 | The Verge
• OpenAI wasn’t expecting Sora’s copyright drama | The Verge
• I’ve fallen into Sora’s slippery slop | The Verge
• Sora 2 users are having fun with Sam Altman’s face | The Verge
• OpenAI will let developers build apps that work inside ChatGPT | The Verge
• OpenAI wants ChatGPT to be your future operating system | Wired
• Sora 2 watermark removers flood the web | 404 Media
• What the arrival of AI-fabricated video means for us | NYT
• Recruiters use AI to scan résumés — applicants are trying to trick it | NYT
• Employers are buried in AI-generated résumés | NYT

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I’m Joanna Stern, the senior personal tech columnist at The Wall Street Journal, and this is my final Decoder episode filling in for Nilay while he’s out on parental leave. My guest today: Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe. This is RJ’s third time on the show, and it felt like the perfect follow-up to my conversation last week with Ford CEO Jim Farley.

I loved the idea of going straight from Ford to Rivian. And if you listened to the Farley episode, this one flows nicely. RJ and I cover a lot of the same challenges: tariffs, China, EV pricing. Of course, I also asked about CarPlay. 

Read the full transcript on The Verge.

Links: 

• A pretty fascinating look under the hood of the Rivan R2 | The Verge
• Rivian CEO says CarPlay isn’t going to happen | The Verge
• Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe says too many carmakers are copying Tesla | Decoder
• Rivian CEO RJ Scaringe isn't scared of the Cybertruck | Decoder
• Rivian breaks ground on $5 billion Georgia plant | AP
• Rivian narrows 2025 delivery guidance Q3 as production slips | WSJ
• Rivian R2 remains on track for $45,000 and 2026 production | Car and Driver

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