【聊了什么The What】

等等，先别划走。就算你对篮球的知识仅限于篮球是圆的，这可能依旧是一期有趣的播客。

体育从来都不止关于体育，竞技体育从来都是流行文化的塑造者也被时代的思潮所塑造。如果你也关注美国竞技体育，尤其是篮球，很难不感受到一个巨大的女子篮球浪潮正在袭来。谁能想到从2019年至今，电视观看人数最高的篮球比赛是大学女篮的总决赛？1870万人次的观看数字远远超越了过去几年NBA的总决赛（丹福掘金对不起），也在互联网上掀起了讨论的热潮。

女子篮球的崛起也与诸多社会议题息息相关。我们与The Athletic的小帆和布鲁克林篮网的思齐一起，聊了聊那些隐藏在数字和赛事之后备受关注的问题：女篮突破了哪些障碍才走到了今天这一步？是什么因素促成了这场变革？我们能从中窥见哪些值得关注的趋势？

Sports have never been merely about the games themselves; they shape the popular culture we engage with, from fashion to music, reflecting the cultural zeitgeist. Those who have been closely following American sports will have noticed the surging popularity of women's college basketball and its standout stars—Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, Paige Bueckers, Kamilla Cardoso, and many others. Remarkably, the 2024 NCAA Women's Basketball Championship was the most-watched basketball game on television since 2019, attracting a staggering 18.7 million viewers. This viewership even surpassed last year's NBA Finals (sorry, Nuggets), sparking widespread discussion both online and offline.

In this conversation, we talked to Yifan from The Athletic and Siqi from the Brooklyn Nets, and delved into the factors beyond mere statistics, exploring the obstacles these athletes had to overcome for women's basketball to achieve its current prominence.

• 【时间轴 The When】

• 00:00 今年的大学女篮有多火？

• 15:45 男篮和女篮收入差距能有多大？当女篮在要求涨薪水的时候他们在要求什么？

• 24:30 假设天降两个非常有天赋的初中生——凯文和凯莉杜兰特，他们从新秀到退役的职业道路会有什么不同？

• 52:17 为什么不能让篮筐低一点呢？

• 01:13:18 站在女性、少数族裔、酷儿交叉口的WNBA

• 00:00 How popular is women's college basketball this year?

• 15:45 Exploring the income gap between men's and women's basketball: What highlighting this disparity matters? It's not just about income.

• 24:30 Imagining two highly talented middle school students—Kevin and Kelly Durant—dropped into the world: How would their career trajectories differ from rookies to retirement?

• 52:17 Why isn't the basketball hoop height lowered for women?

• 01:13:18 The WNBA at the intersection of gender, racial, and LGBTQ+ identities

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

第96届奥斯卡颁奖典礼在两天前刚刚结束，疲惫娇娃在所有奖项公布之后录了一期播客来聊聊我们当下的感受和反应。在奥斯卡这个奖项在过去的很多年被反复的质疑、挑战之后，在以“学院奖”自居的奥斯卡看起来越来越和时代精神脱节时，我们还是想借助这个颁奖典礼，来重新审视“学院奖”和2023年许多电影（比如《芭比》）和社会事件（比如全世界正在发生的战争）的交织和互动，从而去审视支撑它的历史包袱、权力、固化和正在逐步调整的审美——以及，为什么它仍旧是电影节的最高奖项？赢得它，或者不赢得它，提名，或者不被它提名，意味着什么。

The CyberPink squad is back with an episode on the recently wrapped 96th Academy Awards!

Over the past few years, the Academy Awards have faced a lot of questioning and criticism. As the self-proclaimed pinnacle of cinematic excellence, the Academy is struggling to maintain its reputation and convince people of its relevance. But the Oscars ceremony still provides an interesting lens to examine how this major cultural institution addresses ongoing events - from the writers and actors strikes to the conflict in Gaza. Which films, actors and actresses win ultimately is not based on merit, but on a myriad of factors and a relentless awards season campaign that has become the norm of the industry, a profound legacy of none other than Harvey Weinstein and his company Miramax.

We discuss the history of Oscars, its genre bias, and what we think about the “Barbie snub.”

【时间轴 The When】

• 00:00 颁奖典礼的回顾和高光时刻

• 08:23 颁奖典礼外，加沙和乌克兰的战火

• 21:04 奥斯卡的种族多样性进步了吗？

• 25:02 奥斯卡颁奖的竞选游戏，包括宣传策略和资源投入

• 33:05 奥斯卡的类型偏见

• 48:12 女性导演和女性主导电影在奥斯卡中的困境，特别是对《Barbie》和《Poor Things》的讨论

• 56:42 彩蛋：没想到我们还能继续聊poor things

• 00:00 Highlights and memorable moments of the 2024 Oscars Awards

• 08:23 Addressing the war in Gaza and Ukraine

• 21:04 Is the Oscars doing better in diversity?

• 25:02 The bloodsport of Oscars campaigning

• 33:05 The Academy’s genre bias

• 48:12 Ongoing challenges of female filmmakers in the industry

• 56:42 Yet more on "Poor Things"

【拓展链接 The Links】

Oscar Wars: A History of Hollywood in Gold, Sweat, and Tears I Still Believe in the Power of Sexual Freedom Jonathan Glazer’s Oscar Speech Becomes Latest Battleground in Israel-Gaza Conflict BarbieGate: Why All Oscars Snubs Are Not Created Equal The profound weirdness of Robert Downey Jr.’s Oscar win — and the category he won Is A24, the Indie Upstart with a Fresh Best-Picture Win, the Next Miramax?

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

奥斯卡提名的作品《美国小说》American Fiction讲述了一个陷入这样的创作难题的黑人作家Monk——在以自己作为主体的Monk自己的书不被出版界和读者买账，却发现一部“迎合白人观众、贩卖黑人创伤和贫困”的书却大卖。于是Monk决定用通过写一部充满所以刻板印象的“黑人文学”去反抗自己的命运。但是却遭遇了一系列的家庭变故。

把这个故事翻译到疲惫娇娃熟悉的语境中，我们也能找到共通的挑战：女性书写女性的苦难一定是“吃女权饭”吗？亚裔书写亚裔的创伤是“迎合白人观众”吗？如何在忠于自我生活的创作中，同时能够获得创作的体面（收入、关注等等）？如何演绎生活的复杂度，同时也能鼓励其他族群的人和“我”共情？

一个很会写的女的Caiwei也加入了这场对话。

The Oscar-nominated work "American Fiction" tells the story of Thelonius “Monk” Ellison, a Black writer who finds himself in a creative dilemma. Out of anger, spite, and disappointment in the publishing industry status quo, he takes up a pen name and writes a piece of "Black literature" filled with stereotypes as a form of rebellion, yet the publishing world gobbles it all up.

The movie, when translated into familiar contexts, reveals universal challenges: Is it merely a form of capitalizing on feminism when women write about women's suffering? Is it catering to white audiences when Asians write about Asian trauma? How can one stay true to their own life experiences in their creative work, while also achieving dignity in creation (income, attention, etc.)? How can the complexity of life be conveyed in a way that also encourages empathy from people of other ethnic groups?

Caiwei, our a talented female writer friend, also joins this dialogue.

【时间轴 The When】

00:00 电影《美国小说》和电影导演编剧Cord Jefferson

05:58 对家庭故事部分的讨论，包括男主角Monk的家庭背景和家族创伤：人生的复杂度和混乱从Monk的角度徐徐展开

17:39 电影中对白人出版界人物的扁平化描写和对白人观众的讽刺

34:00 故事中穿插着故事，这个电影是一个三个圆嵌套的非常meta的结构; 女作家和Monk是互通的，而不是互为对立

40:59 电影结尾的开放式处理和对创作者能讲怎样的故事的探讨

01:00:23 我们值得看到真诚、细腻的少数族裔故事

00:00 “American Fiction”: overview of this Oscar-nominated movie and its creator: screenwriter-turned-director Cord Jefferson

05:58 The duality of the movie: intertwining storylines of the literary plot and the family drama, the complexity of life as a middle-aged man, all from protagonist Monk’s point of view

17:39 The intentional one-dimensional portrayal of characters in the publishing industry and the satirization of a white audience

34:00 The meta structure of this movie’s storytelling

40:59 Our discussion around the choice for an open-ended ending and what kind of creators are allowed to tell what kinds of stories

01:00:23 We all deserve to see authentic and nuanced stories

01:06:55 Bella's patricide, reconciliation with her father, and eventual symbolic rebirth as her father

【拓展链接 The Links】

https://tinhouse.com/on-pandering/

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

《可怜的东西》是一部关于剥削与女性命运的丰富、引人深思、扭曲的成长故事。在跟随好奇而大胆的主角贝拉·巴克斯特的两个小时里，我们闯入了贝拉的生活中，同时收获了一种“有益的混乱”——能够帮助我们理解了一系列复杂的问题：在一个企图界定和限制女性的世界里寻求女性自主权，性工作作为一种艰苦、剥削性质的劳动，以及在某种程度上，生物黑客技术和CRISPR伦理问题。

Poor Things is a juicy, chewy, twisted coming-of-age fable about exploitation and womanhood. The two hours we spent following the curious, bold protagonist Balla Baxter provided a helpful chaos for us to metabolize an array of complex problems: the pursuit of female autonomy in a world seeking to define and confine it, the nature of sex work as gritty, exploitative labor, and, at some point, the ethics of biohacking and CRISPR.

【时间轴 The When】

00:00 今年颁奖季的宠儿Poor Things以及为什么我们要重新录制这集播客

04:04 我们对于这个电影的第一感受

10:10 “成熟女人的身体与婴儿的心智“——为什么我们对于Bella的担心程度随着她的旅程展开而忽上忽下？

13:45 Poor Things是一部彻底翻转过来的《洛丽塔》？

23:40 (假装我们在聊这部电影）电影的设定导致我们去思考了文本中复杂的性同意

35:47 Poor Things的科幻设定——人类为何恐惧技术？Bella是一个关于AI的角色（？？？），科学设定和伦理困境

45:30 我们对于现有科技以及特权人群改造人体的探讨

51:12 从事性工作的Bella和她的劳工意识觉醒

01:06:55 Bella弑父，和父亲和解，最后“变成父亲”的旅程

00:00 Poor Things - This awards season's darling - and why we're re-recording this podcast

04:04 Our first impressions of the film

10:10 "A mature woman's body with an infant's mind" - Why do our concerns over Bella fluctuate throughout her journey?

13:45 Is Poor Things a thoroughly inverted Lolita?

23:40 (Pretending we're discussing the film) - How the storyline prompts pondering complex consent ethics within the text

35:47 Poor Things' sci-fi premise - Why does technology unnerve humanity? Is Bella an allegory for AI (?) - scientific concepts and ethical dilemmas

45:30 Our exploration of current technologies and how privileged groups alter human bodies

51:12 Bella's awakened labor consciousness after entering sex work

01:06:55 Bella's patricide, reconciliation with her father, and eventual symbolic rebirth as her father

【拓展链接 The Links】

https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.5149/9781469661940_berg

https://www.thelancet.com/series/HIV-and-sex-workers

https://www.thecut.com/2014/01/qa-the-woman-debunking-myths-about-sex-work.html

https://pwd.org.au/sex-work-and-the-ndis-frequently-asked-questions/

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

疲惫娇娃的一季度一次的"氛围检查"aka闲聊节目又来了。从庆祝人生的某些瞬间，到对于婚礼各种细节的选择和对”物品“之间的拧巴关系，再到”怎么才能好好玩“，再到“最近上头下头是啥”，我们又絮絮叨叨聊了一个半小时。

In our quarterly “vibe check” tradition aka rambling chatfest, the CyberPink girls back to dive shallow(ish) once more. We hit the full life spectrum - from celebrating magical moments, untangling our love/hate with things (to Marie Kondos’s delight/chagrin), pondering how to properly “adult”...to spiraling into ‘what’s trending hot and not’ before emerging somehow wiser. Or at least blissfully 90 minutes older.

【时间轴 The When】

01:15 浅浅开头，这集播客我们基本上都在闲聊，如果你想听干货的话这期并没有

02:20 我们各自的焦虑梦

05:50 过去一年没发生什么大事，然后小蓝突然随便结了个婚

08:20 花酱对于小蓝的婚礼上"礼乐”的理解

14:20 小蓝在写婚礼誓词的心路过程

19:25 我们如何解读“结婚”? 如何庆祝一个人的存在？

37:00 一芳的登基故事和一场回门宴引发的地缘政治事件

54:40 我们最近的上头和下头

1:16:00 活着就是挣点钱然后再去玩

00:15 Super casual open - this episode is all about random banter

02:20 Each sharing anxiety dreams plaguing our sleep/nap

05:50 The past year = no major events really...except Xiaolan randomly threw a wedding?!

08:20 Hana-chan interprets wedding ceremony “rituals”

14:20 Xiaolan details her agonizing vow-drafting journey

19:25 How we each approach/view “marriage”

37:00 Yifang's "enthronement" story...includes the "geo-political" drama at a wedding (!!)

54:40 Our latest addictions/obsessions

01:16:00 let's earn some $ then go play?

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

2023年末，疲惫娇娃又与友台不合时宜录制了一期“不时疲惫”，与大家分享一些2023年我们不愿意透露的脆弱时刻。我们围坐在一起，聊起过去一年中各自独自在黑夜与灵魂对视的脆弱瞬间、无法解开的心结、尚未获得疗愈的创伤。希望你听到这期节目能够收获一些力量。大家新年快乐。

As the ball is about to drop to ring in 2024, CyberPink joined up with our comrades to put together another episode — a raw confessional session airing those vulnerabilities from the past year that we’d rather keep under wraps. We gathered round, spinning yarns into the wee hours about our solitary moments of fragility over months past, staring into the abyss of our souls as darkness enveloped us; the lingering emotional baggage yet to be reconciled and wounds still laid bare for all to see. And cheers to a bright new year ahead, friends.

【时间轴 The When】

（本次时间轴文案由不合时宜提供）

01:35 这期节目的由来：不时疲惫一相聚，都会jam出一集节目；而这期节目关于脆弱和痛苦

03:34 第一次去做心理咨询，心路历程经历了什么变化?

10:43 当一段亲密关系逝去以后，“我”的一部分似乎被带走

14:17 跟父母的关系——遥远又亲近

22:28 埋藏在你的成长经历当中的基底，确实形塑了你是什么样的一个人

36:45 和黑暗的情绪共处时，你用什么方式拉自己出来？

52:33 因为ego的保护，自己可能看不到一些真相

01:01:28 现代人的情绪问题不是一个个体的现象，而是集体性、社会性的现象

01:04:12 在“钱越花越有”的口号下，人人向往模板化的生活，遮蔽了内心真正的追寻

01:09:57 为什么身心灵吸引了那么多女性,这是女权的失败吗?

01:15:13 如何理解宗教对现代社会的作用?

01:25:32 在活着以外，还能做一些正向的事情,就已经额外再创造意义了

01:30:16 如何平衡、界定EGO和自我主体?

01:35 we reunited and had this soulful discussions flow, as in this episode pondering vulnerability and anguish

03:34 One's inaugural therapy session - an intense inner reckoning

10:43 As intimacy dissolves, the lingering sense of losing part of oneself

14:17 Bonds with our parents - profoundly close yet distant

22:28 How the cornerstones of our formative years shape the essence of our identities

36:45 Battling melancholy moods - drawing one's psyche toward sanguinity

52:33 Does ego shield us from difficult self-truths?

01:01:28 Emotional malaise today is not merely personal but shared collective discontent

01:04:12 The compulsion to believe in “the more you consume, the more you have” obscures genuine inner purpose

01:09:57 Why does self-care retain feminine coding - a patriarchal relic?

01:15:13 Can religion still sustain modern life's demands?

01:30:16 Reconciling ego and selfhood - a perpetual undertaking

【拓展链接 The Links】

Gift from the Sea by Anne Morrow Lindbergh

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Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】 有人说Bottoms 垫底俱乐部是一部高校性转版的《搏击俱乐部》，但其实远远不止如此。它荒诞离奇，充满暴力和一些隐藏的不算太深的讽刺和哲思，是适合我们这个时代的美国高校喜剧电影。 故事围绕着Josie和PJ这一对好友展开，她们是这所美国高中食物链的底层，不只是因为她们是拉拉，而是用她们自己的话来说：“gay，ugly and untalented”。在高三毕业前的最后一年这对好友决心突破自己，互为僚机泡到全校最受欢迎的拉拉队队员，而她们达成目标的方式就是阴差阳错组建了这个高中第一个女子搏击俱乐部。 这一期，小蓝和四位酷儿/Gen Z/Older Millennial朋友们，也是一档全新的女权喜剧播客《大波福娃》的主播们，一起聊了聊这部酷儿青少年校园“发烧梦”。

Some say "Bottoms" is a high-school-themed, gender-flipped version of "Fight Club," but it's far more than that. It's a bizarre and whimsical journey, filled with violence and some blazen satire and not-so-subtle philosophical musings— a perfect update of the high school comedy genre fit for our times.

The story revolves around Josie and PJ, a dynamic duo situated at the bottom rung of the American high school social ladder. Their struggles extend beyond being lesbians; in their own words, they're "gay, ugly, and untalented." In their final year before graduating high school, this determined pair sets out to break free from their constraints to date the two most popular cheerleaders in the school. Their unconventional method? Accidentally forming the first all-female fight club in the high school.

In this episode, Xiaolan and her four queer/Gen Z/Older Millennial friends, who are the hosts of the brand-new feminist comedy podcast "Dat Beauvoir," convene to chat about this queer teenage "fever dream."

本期参与录制的有：

• 桃子（she/her）：一个还没出道就隐退了的业余脱口秀演员，精通捆粽子和翻花绳

• 跑跑（they/them）：工匠/小丑/人民教师/高科技亚逼（消歧义），尊重且热爱谐音梗，老龄 Z 世代。

• 小苕 (it/its)：一颗零零后坡塔头，咖喱牛腩里的薯仔，地三鲜里的土豆

• Nancy (she/her)：惨惨的博士僧，是一个older millennial中年人

• Sis Peach (she/her): I have a Golden retriever, a plush dog with an imaginary ESA vest.

• Runrun (they/them): local shop tech / clown / adjunct / computer beep boops, pun always intended.

• Shao (it/its): A potato with Chinese characteristics. Can’t be fried or smashed.

• Nancy (she/her): a struggling PhD, older millennial

【时间轴 The When】

• 00:00 对电影的初印象：高校性转版的《搏击俱乐部》?

• 10:46 电影里的主要女性角色

• 33:51 时空错乱美学：Y2K的视觉叠加在2023年的观念上

• 43:30 美国高校电影和我们的酷儿启蒙

• 54:48 为什么这部电影里的暴力如此令人心旷神怡（？）

• 01:15:54 这个电影吃了几个性别研究博士生？

• 01:32:58 今夏其他破破烂烂间歇发疯但是歌颂暖心女性友谊的喜剧电影

• 00:00 Initial Impressions of the Movie: A Gender-Swap High School Version of "Fight Club"?

• 10:46 Deep dive on our favorite characters

• 33:51 Aesthetic of Temporal Disarray: Y2K Visuals Superimposed on 2023 Concepts

• 43:30 American High School Movies and Our Queer Enlightenment

• 54:48 Why the Violence in This Movie is So Delightfully Liberating (?)

• 01:15:54 This Film is a Gender Studies Love Fest

• 01:32:58 Other Ragged, Intermittently Insane, Yet Heartwarming Comedies Celebrating Female Friendship This Summer

【拓展链接 The Links】 大波福娃 ‘Bottoms’ Review: Physical Education Getting So High That You Think You’re Going to Die - Ayo Edebiri - Taking the Stage Sabrina Wu - Hot Girl Impression

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

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Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

无论你是Taylor Swift的忠实粉丝还是普通路人，你肯定听说过这位美国女歌手，以及她从出道以来经历的不同的“eras”（时代）对流行文化的影响。

从她高中时期固化女性形象“You belong with me”的时代，2009年金融危机后被Kanye羞辱的”受害者公主“时代，2010年中期的时代金发红裙维密秀上的时代，再到2023年她开启的全美巡演撬动几十亿美元经济活动的”eras”时代。

这期疲惫娇娃，我们以Taylor Swift在2023年的演唱会名字“Eras”为主题，回顾她2008年初出茅庐再到2023成为定义时代的流行巨星的一路。无论是循环播放她的歌，还是将她作为流行文化的符号来去深入研究，我们都在人生的不同阶段和Taylor Swift交织。每一个Taylor的时代都能让我们回溯到过去十五年的某一种人生状态，唤起一些根深蒂固的回忆和情绪。本期节目中我们深入挖掘她多年来的各种造型，职业生涯变革的颁奖典礼时刻，与其他巨星的争执以及她的音乐——并探讨这些主题如何与我们自己的成长紧密相连，以及过去十五年“女性”作为一个集体意识是如何进化和蜕变。

Whether you’re a die-hard Swiftie or just a regular person who’s not into her songs, there’s no denying the grip that Ms. Taylor Swift has had on American pop culture since her debut in 2006.

In her most recent “Eras” tour, which generated roughly $5 Billion USD for the US economy, Taylor Swift walks the audience through her many eras: the hopeless romantic princess in sparkly dresses in “You Belong With Me,” who then fell from her pumpkin carriage and claimed victimhood after Kanye’s public humiliation of her in 2009; clapping back at critics and experimenting musically with “Red;” embracing her "girl squad" of famous friends and cementing her spot as a pop culture icon with “1989;” her villainelle era with “Reputation;” and taking quaratining at home to the next level by embracing cottagecore with “Folklore” and “Evermore” during the pandemic.

In this episode of CyberPink, we take a look at how different stages of our own lives intersect with Taylor Swift’s eras and how we interacted with her – whether it’s through passionately listening to her songs on repeat, reciting the lyrics, or simply studying her as a pop culture artifact and what her popularity means from an anthropological perspective. Each Taylor era evokes memories and emotions that allow us to revisit a moment somewhere in the last fifteen years. So join us as we dive deep into her many looks through the years, career-changing award show moments, feuds with other mega stars, and her music – and explore how the themes intricately intertwined with our own growth, and the evolution of what it means to be a modern woman.

【时间轴 The When】

• 03:00 Fearless Era：来自纳什维尔的邻家女孩和我们的青春期

• 22:29 在2009年MTV音乐录影带大奖颁奖舞台上，Taylor和Kanye命运的齿轮开始转动

• 37:00 Red Era：流行巨星Taylor同时也是机灵乖巧的”最大公约数女性“

• 42:40 Taylor vs Spotify：改变音乐行业的流媒体

• 50:00 Famous歌词的争议，和2016年前后美国流行文化的大转弯

• 01:09:00 Reputation Era：Taylor的音乐母带和重录争议

• 01:25:05 Midnights Era：Taylor的第十张专辑，为女性和自己创作

• 03:00 Fearless Era: The girl next door from Nashville and our collective coming-of-age

• 22:29 On the stage of the 2009 MTV VMAs, the wheels of fate begin to turn for Taylor and Kanye

• 37:00 Red Era: Pop superstar Taylor as the clever, well-behaved “common denominator” woman

• 42:40 Taylor vs Spotify: When streaming upheaved the music industry

• 50:00 The controversial lyrics of “Famous” and America's culture shift around 2016

• 01:09:00 Reputation Era: Debate over Taylor's master recordings and re-recordings

• 01:25:05 Midnights Era: Taylor's tenth album, written for all women and herself

【拓展链接 The Links】 我们提到的文章：

• For Taylor Swift, the Future of Music Is a Love Story
• Tom Hiddleston on Taylor Swift, Heartbreak, and Great Bolognese
• Taylor Swift (Acquired’s Version)
• Listening to Taylor Swift in Prison

其他参考的内容：

• Make the Whole Place Shimmer: America Spends Big for Beyoncé and Taylor Swift
• Non-Fungible Taylor Swift
• Scooter Braun Makes $300 Million Deal for Big Machine Records
• Taylor Swift’s Feud With Scooter Braun Spotlights Musicians’ Struggles to Own Their Work
• The unavoidable politics of Taylor Swift
• Kanye West Addresses Hip-Hop’s Homophobia In 2005 Interview | MTV News
• Can't Shake It Off: How Taylor Swift Became a Nazi Idol
• Taylor Swift: The Rolling Stone Interview

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除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】 从荞麦信箱和Reddit上的“Am I the Axxhole”，全世界人类的一大共性就是热衷于观察其他人的“家务事”，并给出自己的判决——You are not the axxhole，为网友的乳腺着想，分手吧。在最琐碎的家务事中，有无数隽永的社会问题和模糊的道德难题；故事随处可见，但把这样的故事讲好又非常难。2023年斩获金棕榈的法国剧情悬疑片《坠楼的审判》就是个中出彩之作。女作家Sandra的丈夫Samuel从他们的家顶楼坠楼离奇死亡，而Sandra成为了最大的嫌疑人。整个故事就围绕着这桩疑似谋杀案的司法调查展开，但被当堂剖析的不只是疑案——Sandra和Samuel之间失败的婚姻，父子、母子和伴侣之间那些心照不宣，无法言说的细微情绪统统被放在法庭上被代表所谓公平正义的律师、法官和看客逐一剥茧抽丝。

If the popularity of the “Am I The A**hole” subreddit and its Chinese equivalence were any indication, we humans really love nothing more than sticking our noses all the way in other people’s family business and passing judgments. But it takes an extraordinarily skilled storyteller to bring out the universal, profound moral struggles embedded in our seemingly mundane, daily life: what does it mean to be understood, even in the most intimate relationships? Can anyone be persuaded? If so, by facts or manipulation? “The Anatomy of a Fall,” which won the Palme d'Or prize at the Cannes Film Festival this year, is an icey, cerebral thriller about a mysterious death and a failed marriage, but also about truth, persuasion, the power of narratives, and all the unspoken love and cruelty within human relationships.

【时间轴 The When】

• 00:00 坠楼的审判是一部“文学”的电影

• 12:14 杀人犯是Sandra吗？

• 23:50 悬疑片外皮下，对于所谓“真相”塑造过程的剖析

• 36:48 站在审判席上的“成功女性”和亲密关系中的权力

• 56:34 Sandra与Samuel的争吵，失权者的绝望

• 00:00 “Anatomy of a Fall” and why do we like literary cinema

• 12:14 Did she do it?

• 23:50 The court scene, and how we construct “truth” in our relationships

• 36:48 The “successful women” on trial and power dynamics in intimate relationships

• 56:34 The fight scene, and the despair of the disempowered

【拓展链接 The Links】

• 'Anatomy of a Fall' dissects a marriage and, maybe, a murder
• Part of the ‘great resignation’ is actually just mothers forced to leave their jobs

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

这期我们把Ted Lasso和The Bear这两部剧糅在一起聊， 虽然一部发生在绿茵场上，一部发生在厨房里，但是这两部剧都跟随着相同的故事蓝本——人如何化解创伤，寻找自己？如何在工作和团队中沟通，化解摩擦？ 后疫情时代的2023年，探讨这些角色之间的摩擦和冲突如何被书写，探讨这些角色如何从创伤中恢复，重新找到并定义自己，在一定程度上也是探讨我们自己——我们如何理解自己的情绪？我们如何解读家人、同事、合作者、队友和友人的行为？我们如何在合作中了解自己、在摩擦中建立深厚的连接、在创伤中成长？

本期嘉宾：Dr. Eileen Cheng-yin Chow 周成蔭 教授

In this episode, we bring together two beloved shows—Ted Lasso and The Bear— to discuss how although one takes place on the football pitch and the other in the kitchen, both follow the same narrative blueprint. How do people resolve trauma and find themselves? How do they communicate and resolve friction at work and in teams? In 2023, the post-pandemic era, we explore how the conflicts between these characters are written, how they recover from trauma, rediscover and redefine themselves. We also explore ourselves to some extent - how do we understand our own emotions? How do we interpret the behaviors of family, colleagues, partners, teammates, and friends? How do we better understand ourselves, build deep connections through frictions, and grow beyond trauma through collaboration?

Our guest: Dr. Eileen Cheng-yin Chow

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06:10 Ted Lasso和The Bear的剧情简介: 体育、成长、代际创伤如何被演绎

16:00 为什么我们会爱上银幕上的“神性脸”和小屏幕上的“邻家脸”?

18:45 在阳刚文化中,这两部剧如何处理情绪化以及受创伤的男人,以及邀请观众用显微镜去观察他们的情绪?

23:00 伤害的脚本一遍一遍上演,哀伤不是线性的,代际创伤如何被具体的场景演绎?

29:40 在美国叙事中,移民如何通过劳作转移痛苦?

35:00 Ted Lasso和The Bear中良好的沟通习惯,以及从“根”上开始争吵的现实

40:05 Ted Lasso中的剧情互文——文化冲突和个人创伤

44:58 Ted Lasso如何通过吸纳文学内容来构建一个心理上的”安全空间“,以及为什么我们喜欢看运动故事——连载剧,聚焦当下

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16:00 - Why do we become enamored with "divine faces" on the big screen and "familiar faces" on the small screen?

18:45 - Within masculine cultures, how are these two shows handling emotional, traumatized men and inviting the audience to observe their emotions microscopically?

23:00 - We see the script of harm play out repeatedly throughout both shows, and we observe how grief is not linear. How do these two shows portray intergenerational trauma through scenes?

29:40 - In the all-American narrative, how do immigrants ease their pain through labor?

35:00 - We discuss effective communication habits in Ted Lasso and The Bear, and the reality of how arguments always start from the “root”

40:05 - Intertextuality in Ted Lasso's plot - cultural conflicts and personal trauma

44:58 - How Ted Lasso constructs a psychological "safe space" by incorporating literary content, and why we enjoy watching sports stories

52:00 - How can going to therapy intervene with our engrained ways of communication and revive one's happy “inner puppy”?

59:40 - Our host Xiao Yang and Guest Eileen's stories on cultural gaps and going to therapy

1:03:00 - Anxiety is addictive - the existential anxiety of immigrants and the psychological experiences of lower-class Chinese immigrants in Chicago's Chinatown (history lesson time)

1:09:00 - To survive, immigrants are always partially living in the past

1:15:00 - Why we don't romanticize Carmy and Sydney's relationship

1:22:30 - There’s not enough portrayal of women going through mid-life crises on the big or small screen

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun, and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

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【聊了什么The What】

立秋是万物复苏的季节，这意味着闲聊节目又来啦！

我们在这个夏天结束、秋天开始的季节也支棱了一下，设计了一封问卷，想借这个机会了解一下大家。问卷中也搜集上来了很多大家想要问我们的问题，我们选了一些在这期节目中回答。这封问卷会作为一个信箱保持开放，每一封收回来的问卷我们都会读！如果大家对我们有什么问题和建议，都可以通过问卷丢给我们，也可以给[email protected]发邮件。

Happy pumpkin spice latte season! We like season changes, because it means we get to record our seasonal vibe check episodes. A couple of weeks ago out of a burst of productivity we shipped a survey to get to know yall better, which includes an AMA section where we collected all of your simmering questions. We had so much fun reading the responses (keep’em coming!!), and decided to break out the mailbox for an AMA episode! The survey will stay open, we read every entry religiously, so consider that a way to let us know about your questions, concerns, thoughts, anything you would like us to know. You can also email us at [email protected].

【时间轴 The When】

• 01:20 “如果读phd的话想要读什么专业？”

• 14:21 “好奇几位主播平时喜欢听什么音乐类型呀，走路或者休息的时候会听什么呢？”

• 24:02 “想问问各位主播的书单” / “主播们是怎么能找到那么多好看的影视作品的？”

• 50:09 “近期生活里有哪些新经验，或者新尝试，感觉如何？”

• 01:06:59 “想知道每位主播最欣赏另外三位的什么？”

• 01:20 "What major would you want to study if you were to pursue a Ph.D.?"

• 14:21 “I'm curious about what types of music you usually like to listen to. What do you listen to when walking or resting?”

• 24:02 “I want to ask about the reading lists of each host." / "How do the hosts manage to find so many good films and TV shows?”

• 50:09 “What are some new experiences or trials you've had recently in life, and how do you feel about them?”

• 01:06:59 “I want to know what each host most admires about the other three hosts”

【疲惫红书 CyberRed】

除了播客以外，疲惫娇娃的几个女的在小红书上开了官方账号，我们会不定期发布【疲惫在读】、【疲惫在看】、【疲惫旅行】、【疲惫Vlog】等等更加轻盈、好玩、实验性质的内容。如果你想知道除了播客以外我们在关注什么，快来小红书评论区和我们互动。

Apart from the podcast, we have set up an official account on Xiaohongshu. We will periodically post content such as “CyberPink Reading,” “CyberPink Watching,” “CyberPink Traveling,” “CyberPink Vlog,” and more. Those are lighter, more fun and more experimental stuff about our lives. Leave us some comments on Xiaohongshu!

【买咖啡 Please Support Us】

如果喜欢这期节目并愿意想要给我们买杯咖啡：

• 海外用户：https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm
• 海内用户：https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm
• 商务合作邮箱：[email protected]
• 商务合作微信：CyberPink2022

If you like our show and want to support us, please consider the following:

• Those Abroad: https://www.patreon.com/cyberpinkfm
• Those in China: https://afdian.net/@cyberpinkfm
• Business Inquiries Email: [email protected]
• Business Inquiries WeChat: CyberPink2022

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